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[vincent]

Originally Posted by KChiefer

No. Just because it's such a blanket label. PPL will see that and assume he was raping kids. He was only 2 years older. Granted the orgy part is messed up, but he was basically a kid too.

I don't think he should have just gone free, but it's fair to say he's paid his debt and doesn't need to be deemed a pedophile the rest of his life.

Very good point...you've just made my position of "on the fence" more comfortable...

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Do you think he should be labeled a "sex offender"?

According to law, yes. It is unfortunate that he is in prison for 10 years, but if I was the DA I wouldn't back down either.

You have a 17 year old punk kid that admits to acting like a cocky star athlete, (even though his coaches said he was good, not great), that plans a party with hard liquor and weed, provides the drugs to a a bunch of young girls then lets a 15 year give him a BJ. He may not be a sexual predator or a pedaphile that deserves 10 years, but he is far from innocent and refuses to take any blame for his actions. The DA even offered him a plea bargan AFTER he was convicted, and he refused it. No matter how ignorant the laws are, what he did broke the law yet he continues to say that he is innocent when there is video evidence proving otherwise.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by KC Kings

According to law, yes. It is unfortunate that he is in prison for 10 years, but if I was the DA I wouldn't back down either.

You have a 17 year old punk kid that admits to acting like a cocky star athlete, (even though his coaches said he was good, not great), that plans a party with hard liquor and weed, provides the drugs to a a bunch of young girls then lets a 15 year give him a BJ. He may not be a sexual predator or a pedaphile that deserves 10 years, but he is far from innocent and refuses to take any blame for his actions. The DA even offered him a plea bargan AFTER he was convicted, and he refused it. No matter how ignorant the laws are, what he did broke the law yet he continues to say that he is innocent when there is video evidence proving otherwise.

So this isn't about him getting blown by a 15 year old, it's about him being a "cocky star athlete".

What makes it even a bigger crock of shit, is that some 19 year old kid out of school can come in and get blown by a 17 year old junior, and be about his merry way. Bottom line, Georgia needs to update their laws and let this kid give up his seat to a real criminal.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by KC Kings

According to law, yes. It is unfortunate that he is in prison for 10 years, but if I was the DA I wouldn't back down either.

You have a 17 year old punk kid that admits to acting like a cocky star athlete, (even though his coaches said he was good, not great), that plans a party with hard liquor and weed, provides the drugs to a a bunch of young girls then lets a 15 year give him a BJ. He may not be a sexual predator or a pedaphile that deserves 10 years, but he is far from innocent and refuses to take any blame for his actions. The DA even offered him a plea bargan AFTER he was convicted, and he refused it. No matter how ignorant the laws are, what he did broke the law yet he continues to say that he is innocent when there is video evidence proving otherwise.

Then why not just charge him for giving alcohol and weed to minors, possession of those, etc? The punishment does not fit the crime.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Why won't anyone answer this question, "What punishment would you suggest for a 17 year old who hosts, participates in and videotapes and orgy with a 15 year old?"

From the legal system, no punishment should be given for the sexual act. Looking at the ages 17 and 15, that is on average a high school sophomore performing the BJ on a high school senior. That happens a lot more than people (especially the idiot far right wing bible-thumping conservatives) want to believe and IMO, it's just not a huge deal. Kids that age are going to sexually active more often than not and no amount of archaic ridiculous laws are going to change that.

The kid should be punished by the legal system for the drugs and booze present at the party, I wouldn't have a problem with that, and the kid's mother should give him the whipping of his life for exercising such horrible judgment, but that should be it. He screwed up, but he shouldn't be locked up in the system for the 10 most important years of his life (and being labeled a sex offender alongside rapists and pedophiles is an absolute joke). Our legal system has taken a kid that could have gone on to get a college education and maybe make something of himself and completely ruined his life.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Swanman

(and being labeled a sex offender alongside rapists and pedophiles is an absolute joke).

Absolutely agree,I've got a relative who's boyfriend(30 at the time)got hit on at a party and went for it.Turns out the girl is 16 looking and acting 25 and he gets 3 years in the can plus is now tagged with sex offender label.

As for the girl,nothing,nada,I think at least she if not her parents should've been held accountable to some extent.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

Absolutely agree,I've got a relative who's boyfriend(30 at the time)got hit on at a party and went for it.Turns out the girl is 16 looking and acting 25 and he gets 3 years in the can plus is now tagged with sex offender label.

As for the girl,nothing,nada,I think at least she if not her parents should've been held accountable to some extent.

Yeah, same thing happened to my buddy except he didn't go to prison. It was actually my fault too. My buddy worked at Applebee's at a server so we went and got hammered in his section, started talkin to these chicks. They told us they were college freshman, then we started tellin' them how we played football with our friend who was the waiter and how big his wang was, tryin to get them to talk to him you know. Well, turns out, she left her # for my friend. He called, they went out a few times, he comes over to her house watches a movie, SHE EVEN SAID SHE WAS 18 to him. Even told him, he didn't think anything of it at all. So they did it. Later I find out through friends the girl was 15 and my friend was 22. What is a guy to do, chicks have huge knockers at 14 and 15. Remember in 8th grade when you were short and little and all the chicks had big tits and were taller than you already? Girls mature at a earlier age than guys, and it's really hard to guess their age when they are 15-25. What is a guy supposed to do?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Swanman

From the legal system, no punishment should be given for the sexual act. Looking at the ages 17 and 15, that is on average a high school sophomore performing the BJ on a high school senior. That happens a lot more than people (especially the idiot far right wing bible-thumping conservatives) want to believe and IMO, it's just not a huge deal. Kids that age are going to sexually active more often than not and no amount of archaic ridiculous laws are going to change that.

The kid should be punished by the legal system for the drugs and booze present at the party, I wouldn't have a problem with that, and the kid's mother should give him the whipping of his life for exercising such horrible judgment, but that should be it. He screwed up, but he shouldn't be locked up in the system for the 10 most important years of his life (and being labeled a sex offender alongside rapists and pedophiles is an absolute joke). Our legal system has taken a kid that could have gone on to get a college education and maybe make something of himself and completely ruined his life.

I agree with this........even though I read the Bible and go to church.

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Why won't anyone answer this question, "What punishment would you suggest for a 17 year old who hosts, participates in and videotapes and orgy with a 15 year old?"

Her own mother has said that she (the daughter, not the mother....that's another story) is the one that initiated it. So, to answer your question.....none.

[DonJaun]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Why won't anyone answer this question, "What punishment would you suggest for a 17 year old who hosts, participates in and videotapes and orgy with a 15 year old?"

Nothing! If she is gonna give it up then so be it. I would be shocked and mad as hell if it were one of my girls but its country hick ass backward to throw a young boy in jail for having sex with a girl that is two years younger than him. If youre young sweet lil daddy's girl is a slut just deal with it. Most girls are and always have been. Obviously she learned it from somewhere and when they are that young the learning starts in the home.

[KChiefer]

I just see no reason why a community that he moves to will need to know this happened. He's not a predator.

[KChiefer]

Also, I didn't read the whole article...Did they say what the other boy got? Was he a "minor" and therefore free to go?

This is so dumb that the court was unable show any discretion at all.

[vincent]

Originally Posted by KChiefer

Also, I didn't read the whole article...Did they say what the other boy got? Was he a "minor" and therefore free to go?

This is so dumb that the court was unable show any discretion at all.

all the others went to prison as well.... the only other definate sentence stated in the article was about another football player, who got 5 yrs in prison with the possiblity of parole.

[vincent]

I have a few problems with certain parts of the article:

In Douglas County, according to law professors following about the case, admitting sins and begging forgiveness -- not insisting on your innocence -- is the road to mercy.

Does that seem to violate the 5th ammendment to anyone else?

And If Mark Cuban is so outraged, why is the kid's lawyer doing this Pro Bono? C'mon Cuban fork over a couple bucks to help this kid get out...

[Smed1065]

But he is out after 2 years IIRC...Because he followed the system of the system and took the ride they gave him.