What the Hell is a "System QB" and why is it bad to be one?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by banyon

I thought the guy who gave the example of the Spurrier QB's was right on. Wuerffel, Grossman, Dean, Doug Johnson.

Basically Spurrier did not trust his QB's to make reads very much. In his genius, he would tell his QB's, "I'm calling the play, you just throw the ball where I'm telling you to". Then he would draw up the play and point out where the QB was supposed to throw when the shifts and patterns had been run. When those QB's got to the league, they weren't used to reading and reacting to Defenses when things broke down.

That's what I think of when someone says "System QB".

If a QB can have repeatable success in various offenses, he's not a system guy. Guys like those mentioned above are DEFINITIONS of system QB.

Guys like Aikman... they're not system guys, they're not put a team on their back guys... those are QBs that rock when the talent is amazing (early 90s) and suck when the talent is average (mid/late 90s).

[chiefscafan]

I'm sorry but montana had no arm and was little?


I may not have enough posts to say an opinion but I have to tell this little tidbit.



I lived in topeka , ks and my dad , brother and me would take turns going to the chiefs games with our season tickets.

I saw JOe's first game as a chief.

I was about 17 and me and my dad were at the game and we were watching warm up drills. This drill was the qb would throw an out pattern to the receiver.

My dad turns to me and says "justin do you want to see the difference between a pro bowl qb and a hall of fame qb in the NFL."

of course I said sure.

he says watch Dave Krieg . So krieg goes back and the receiver stutters and catches the ball. he then says now watch Joe.

JOe goes back and the receiver never breaks stride.

joe may have been small by today standards and couldn't throw a 70 yd bomb. But he is by far the most accurate passer I've ever seen.

I'm sorry I would take joe montana over any qb today or any in the last 50 years.

heck thanks to him petterson actually did win some playoff games LOL

[chiefscafan]

hey bronco fans that are proclaiming how great elway was compared to joe montana remember the monday night game. The look on Elway and the rest of the bronco team's faces when joe won the game in denver with no time left was priceless.

4 superbowls fellas

2 superbowls

enough said and by the way elway had great tallent around him during those losses too. He just couldn't win the superbowl till '97 which I still think the game against us was very shaddy.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

hey bronco fans that are proclaiming how great elway was compared to joe montana remember the monday night game. The look on Elway and the rest of the bronco team's faces when joe won the game in denver with no time left was priceless.

4 superbowls fellas

2 superbowls

enough said and by the way elway had great tallent around him during those losses too. He just couldn't win the superbowl till '97 which I still think the game against us was very shaddy.

It is probably best you don't post that much, come back when your football knowledge has grown.
It's perfectly okay to be a blind homer (if you really think of Montana as a Chief although KC is just where he came to die) especially on your own board but it doesn't translate well to a factual conversation. Len Dawson was 10x the QB for KC that Montana ever was when he was a Chief.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

hey bronco fans that are proclaiming how great elway was compared to joe montana remember the monday night game. The look on Elway and the rest of the bronco team's faces when joe won the game in denver with no time left was priceless.

4 superbowls fellas

2 superbowls

enough said and by the way elway had great tallent around him during those losses too. He just couldn't win the superbowl till '97 which I still think the game against us was very shaddy.

You're reeruned for a number of reasons...

First off, in every SB game coached by Dan Reeves, the opposing team's QB was the SB MVP. Simms, Williams, Montana, Elway (fitting end)

Elway had good talent, not great in the mid/late 80s. You can't compare the skill players from those teams to what Joe had and say they were equal.

Yes, I remember the Monday night game you referenced... I also remember the Sunday game in Denver the previous season b/t Elway and Montana. I was at the game... Elway won with a 4th quarter comeback that was spectacular.

Again - both players are true greatness, the type of greatness that only a few QBs have achieved.

Elway is still the only QB to start in 5 SBs... yes, he lost 3, but again... not many other QBs could have led those teams to the title game. Elway never had a complete team around him and when you look back at the player comments from those teams ... Reeves never installed a game plan until they arrived at the SB city. Preparation wasn't the greatest and that goes on the coach.

All you have to do is look at Elway's production under Reeves (controlled and lacking skill players) to what he did when Shanahan took over. It's crazy.