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Old 02-23-2013, 10:52 AM   #1
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AGAINST WHO? AGAINST WHAT CALIBER OF DEFENSES? ACC DEFENSES? Don't make me laugh. GTFO. Yall must be trolling me. I'm getting livid.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:02 AM   #2
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AGAINST WHO? AGAINST WHAT CALIBER OF DEFENSES? ACC DEFENSES? Don't make me laugh. GTFO. Yall must be trolling me. I'm getting livid.
Were trolling you? Youre on a CHIEFS board! Not a ****ing Jaguars board we aren't trolling you
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:06 AM   #3
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Were trolling you? Youre on a CHIEFS board! Not a ****ing Jaguars board we aren't trolling you
Do you honestly believe Manuel will be anything other than Jamarcus Russel bad in the league?
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:17 AM   #4
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Do you honestly believe Manuel will be anything other than Jamarcus Russel bad in the league?
Yes because EJ isnt a piece of shit like Russell.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:18 AM   #5
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Do you honestly believe Manuel will be anything other than Jamarcus Russel bad in the league?
I think by all accounts EJ is a good dude where as Russel had a bad/lazy attitude.

Not comparable at all IMO.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:08 AM   #6
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After tomorrow am pretty sure its going be Geno Smith, but the Chiefs will try to find trade partner and so we will most likely miss out on Geno Smith. The team that trades with us will take Geno Smith just our luck Clown Smile (death warmed over).
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:01 AM   #7
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I was thoroughly impressed by his highlight reel.
You would be thoroughly impressed by a lollipop.

Manuel might be the least impressive quarterback at the combine. Take away his physique and you have a sloppy, stupid player that throws terrible passes. Everything about his game is knobby and ugly. Guess what? Wen your man is open for a split second on third and 8, no one cares if you look like The Rock with your shirt off. They care that you have zero accuracy.

Geno Smith has elegance when he throws. It's beautiful.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:18 AM   #8
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You would be thoroughly impressed by a lollipop.

Manuel might be the least impressive quarterback at the combine. Take away his physique and you have a sloppy, stupid player that throws terrible passes. Everything about his game is knobby and ugly. Guess what? Wen your man is open for a split second on third and 8, no one cares if you look like The Rock with your shirt off. They care that you have zero accuracy.

Geno Smith has elegance when he throws. It's beautiful.
1- I think cannibal was being sarcastic.

2- I posted a set of stats for all the top QBs in this draft. Manuel's completion percentage and QB rating is 3rd among all of them. I watched him in the Senior bowl as well. He didn't look a lot like what you are saying. Granted it was just one game - and I'm not pimping E.J. Manuel - but the limited evidence that I have goes against your description.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:24 AM   #9
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1- I think cannibal was being sarcastic.
I wasn't. I looked him up. Admittedly, it was a highlight video, so I only saw positives.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:30 PM   #10
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I wasn't. I looked him up. Admittedly, it was a highlight video, so I only saw positives.
I stand corrected then. I thought you were being funny about how EVERYONE looks like a world beater on highlight clips.

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Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.
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I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.
Reason based posts are so refreshing. Thanks.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:01 PM   #11
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I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame.

Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year.

Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him.

While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)
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Someone didn't see the splits of Geno's throws under pressure
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The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:18 PM   #14
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The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.
I'm just talking about his cons and one was Geno isn't good under pressure


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Old 02-23-2013, 01:20 PM   #15
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I'm just talking about his cons and one was Geno isn't good under pressure


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Well, here's the thing.

This thread ISN'T ABOUT GENO.

It's about EJ Manuel.

But anytime you say anything critical about one of the QBs in the draft, the auto-answer is "well, Geno didn't..."

**** that. Yeah, I do like Geno. But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion on EJ ****ing Manuel.
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