Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt - Page 6

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:17 PM

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

BlackOp · 03-31-2022, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We absolutely do have 12 roster spots available. Hell, we have 3 DE and 2 DT spots alone.

There are some aging mercenary FA DEs out there..Ingram is one.

htismaqe · 03-31-2022, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

There are some aging mercenary FA DEs out there..Ingram is one.

Even with adding 2-3 more free agents, we have room for all of our draft picks. In the end, I think they do some moving around so they won't have 12 but they could take 12 and it wouldn't be an issue.

BlackOp · 03-31-2022, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Do you understand the team at all?

No I dont...not like Veech and neither do you. We're not privy to their conversations. I am good with numbers though...

Internet football experts getting ALL forceful...

BlackOp · 03-31-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even with adding 2-3 more free agents, we have room for all of our draft picks. In the end, I think they do some moving around so they won't have 12 but they could take 12 and it wouldn't be an issue.

I think Veech is going to aggressively get the players he wants...and WR seems to be a position he doesn't shy away from.

He's great at managing the cap...so he knows exactly what the numbers are. Which positions are expensive..and where there are "pockets" of players in the draft.

kcbubb · 03-31-2022, 10:50 AM

I’m assuming here that London, Wilson, olave and burks are all gone before pick 20. If any of those wrs are still there, don’t make the trade until they are gone and then look to move up?

Steelers at 20 might be the sweet spot to move up for jameson bc it’s possible that we don’t have to give up our 2nd rounders. I love the value of the second round picks, especially on defense, so I’d prefer to not give them up. Steelers also have the opportunity to draft qbotf with our 29th pick and get that 5th year on his contract. Trade 29 and the earlier 3rd, 4th and 4th next year to the Steelers for pick 20.

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Dang, Simms feels like he should go to the Jets at #4 or #10 and thinks he ends up between 10-20. We're gonna have to go up and get him if we want him.

WAS @ #11
BAL @ #12
HOU @ #13
MIN @ #14
PHI @ #15, #16 or #19
LAC @ #17
NO @ #18
PIT @ #20
NE @ #21

The Saints are having cap issues and need to get younger, PIT & HOU could use the extra picks, maybe WAS.

Saw someone else suggesting that #30+#50 gets us to #11.

**The Franchise** · 03-31-2022, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I’m assuming here that London, Wilson, olave and burks are all gone before pick 20. If any of those wrs are still there, don’t make the trade until they are gone and then look to move up?

Steelers at 20 might be the sweet spot to move up for jameson bc it’s possible that we don’t have to give up our 2nd rounders. I love the value of the second round picks, especially on defense, so I’d prefer to not give them up. Steelers also have the opportunity to draft qbotf with our 29th pick and get that 5th year on his contract. Trade 29 and the earlier 3rd, 4th and 4th next year to the Steelers for pick 20.

If Williams is healthy...he won't be there at 20.

kcbubb · 03-31-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I really think we're not moving up in a significant way. Look at all the FA deals we've done- one year deals, most of them. Look at how few players we have under contract next year. No I think Veach and Reid decided to overhaul this roster this season and utilize the 8 top 135 picks to do it. I think they felt this is a deep enough draft to stock up.

Really good point here. This would be an excellent draft to restock the roster. I get it. I also hate seeing this window with one of the greatest TEs of all time vanish without enough firepower around mahomes to win it all again. When does kelce retire? I’d like to see a rookie wr come in like waddle and Devonta smith have and light it up and help this team win a championship.

htismaqe · 03-31-2022, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Really good point here. This would be an excellent draft to restock the roster. I get it. I also hate seeing this window with one of the greatest TEs of all time vanish without enough firepower around mahomes to win it all again. When does kelce retire? I’d like to see a rookie wr come in like waddle and Devonta smith have and light it up and help this team win a championship.

If that's what you really want, why do you want Williams so bad? It's unlikely he's going to have that kind of impact year 1 while he's recovering.

BlackOp · 03-31-2022, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If that's what you really want, why do you want Williams so bad? It's unlikely he's going to have that kind of impact year 1 while he's recovering.

Reids system usually takes a year to really learn...so it would be prudent to get a couple young WRs up to speed. Hardman likely wont be resigned...Pringle/Robinson/Hill are gone...JuJu in on a one year...if he's great, how much will he cost?

kcbubb · 03-31-2022, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

If Williams is healthy...he won't be there at 20.

Then you have to pass on jameson. As much as I like him, I don’t want to give up our 2nd rounders. I’d be tempted to. The only situation where I’d give up a 2nd rounder would be if we could get one back. Say, if we traded up from 29 and then traded back from 30. Say Seattle wants to get in front of Detroit and wants to move up from 40 to 30 and we could somehow get back in the 2nd, Then I might be able to justify moving up a little higher for jameson. Watson has made me a little less desperate for jameson. His ceiling is

htismaqe · 03-31-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Then you have to pass on jameson. As much as I like him, I don’t want to give up our 2nd rounders. I’d be tempted to. The only situation where I’d give up a 2nd rounder would be if we could get one back. Say, if we traded up from 29 and then traded back from 30. Say Seattle wants to get in front of Detroit and wants to move up from 40 to 30 and we could somehow get back in the 2nd, Then I might be able to justify moving up a little higher for jameson. Watson has made me a little less desperate for jameson. His ceiling is

You get it.

I know I get it - Williams is quite the prospect. I know why you like him and in any normal year, I would too.

But trading up 10+ spots is just too costly for a guy trying to rehab a knee.

kcbubb · 03-31-2022, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If that's what you really want, why do you want Williams so bad? It's unlikely he's going to have that kind of impact year 1 while he's recovering.

We have one of the best qbs ever and now he has limited firepower. Say kelce is injured this year and retires next year. Who’s pm throwing to next year? MVS and Fortson? I feel like we can sign average wrs in free agency cheap. I’d like to go for a legit game breaker. And jameson could still light it year one like waddle and Devonta. That’s one reason why I like him, I could see him being productive year 1. Again, all this is a guess. Just forecasting as best as possible.

htismaqe · 03-31-2022, 11:23 AM

This draft is so deep at WR, though.

I can't bring myself to draft for 2023 when we have 2022 needs and could conceivably get a WR in the 2nd round that satisfies BOTH without having to trade away picks...

htismaqe · 03-31-2022, 11:25 AM

Also, I wouldn't ever approach the draft thinking I needed a contingency plan for something freakishly random like Kelce getting a career-ending injury.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Really good point here. This would be an excellent draft to restock the roster. I get it. I also hate seeing this window with one of the greatest TEs of all time vanish without enough firepower around mahomes to win it all again. When does kelce retire? I’d like to see a rookie wr come in like waddle and Devonta smith have and light it up and help this team win a championship.

Let me just say this right now-

You guys that think we 'won't have enough firepower' to win are going to be very wrong.

Trading Hill was not punting on 2022. This team WILL be a play-off team, I fully expect that they'll be much better in January than September and that nobody's going to want to play them in the play-offs. I can't say they're going to the Super Bowl, because who knows? But they're going to be a really tough team, and they WILL be in contention. Book it.

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03-31-2022, 11:23 AM	#88
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8149900	This draft is so deep at WR, though. I can't bring myself to draft for 2023 when we have 2022 needs and could conceivably get a WR in the 2nd round that satisfies BOTH without having to trade away picks...
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03-31-2022, 11:25 AM	#89
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8149900	Also, I wouldn't ever approach the draft thinking I needed a contingency plan for something freakishly random like Kelce getting a career-ending injury.
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