KC Man spits on Jane Fonda

[crossbow]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../fonda_spitter

TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.


Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war.


Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books.


Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27.


Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.


"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Donger

Oh, I don't know. I think that giving aid and comfort to the enemy during time of war is one of the better justifications of executing someone.

That and not washing one's legs with any relative frequency.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I'm personally not a fan of execution except in very, very rare circumstances (which at least have to include breaking the law).

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Donger

Shoot, we used to execute traitors.

She got off easily, IMO.

Originally Posted by jcroft

Right. We used to call black people ******s and make them ride in the back of the bus, too. And then we grew up into a (more) civilized world.

Wow, in a sea of generally benign regurgitation of old gripes, we get this exchange. Leaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor, please tell me, jcroft, that you don't feel that our outlook on traitors should evolve as our collective outlook on blacks have over the past century. Traitors are condemned for good reason due to actions completely at their own agency. Completely the opposite of blacks, who were condemned without good reason for an inborn distinction completely out of their control, and completely irrelevant to boot.
A call to evolve into a more 'civilized' metrosexual outlook on traitors is not called for at all, IMO. They purposely, and of their own free will, act at odds to our basic societal safety and security, and for that they deserve to die.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I'm personally not a fan of execution except in very, very rare circumstances.

Whew. Donger dodges the noose yet again.

But, I would like to add to the list those that insist on using repeating commas in their posts; AKA, a commatard.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Wow, in a sea of generally benign regurgitation of old gripes, we get this exchange. Leaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor, please tell me, jcroft, that you don't feel that our outlook on traitors should evolve as our collective outlook on blacks have over the past century. Traitors are condemned for good reason due to actions completely at their own agency. Completely the opposite of blacks, who were condemned without good reason for an inborn distinction completely out of their control, and completely irrelevant to boot.
A call to evolve into a more 'civilized' metrosexual outlook on traitors is not called for at all, IMO. They purposely, and of their own free will, act at odds to our basic societal safety and security, and for that they deserve to die.

That has got to be the longest definition of 'apples and oranges' that I've ever seen.

[CosmicPal]

After spending a few hours watching On Golden Pond I wanted to spit chew on her as well.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by jcroft

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I'm personally not a fan of execution except in very, very rare circumstances (which at least have to include breaking the law).

Are you under some kind of notion that there are no laws against treason?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

After spending a few hours watching On Golden Pond I wanted to spit chew on her as well.

Weren't there Jane bewbies somewhere in there?
Haven't seen it since it was at the. . . would you believe, . . drive-in. But I thought the mentioned bewbies in 'I Love the 80's.'

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Wow, in a sea of generally benign regurgitation of old gripes, we get this exchange. Leaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor, please tell me, jcroft, that you don't feel that our outlook on traitors should evolve as our collective outlook on blacks have over the past century.

No, I definitely don't feel our outlook on traitors should evolve. However, I do feel that our outlook on execution should.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Traitors are condemned for good reason due to actions completely at their own agency. Completely the opposite of blacks, who were condemned without good reason for an inborn distinction completely out of their control, and completely irrelevant to boot.

You are 100% correct here. No argument from me.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

A call to evolve into a more 'civilized' metrosexual outlook on traitors is not called for at all, IMO. They purposely, and of their own free will, act at odds to our basic societal safety and security, and for that they deserve to die.

I believe almost no one deserves to die for a crime. I'm generally opposed to the death penalty, although I do hold out a few exceptions to that. In any case, I am in no way suggesting our feelings for traitors should evolve, and the comparrison to racisim was probably uncalled for. I am, though, suggeting that our feelings towards the death penalty should evolve.

That, however, is another thread and I don't really feel like fighting over it here.

And, as someone who can probably be considered "metrosexual," I'd just say that I don't think political beliefs have anything to do with that term. "Metrosexuality," if you wish to call it that, has only to do with style and vanity.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you under some kind of notion that there are no laws against treason?

No, but I am under the notion that Jane Fonda was never convicted or even charged with such a thing. Am I incorrect (it's quite possible -- this is the first I've ever really heard of what she did)?

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Wow, in a sea of generally benign regurgitation of old gripes, we get this exchange. Leaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor, please tell me, jcroft, that you don't feel that our outlook on traitors should evolve as our collective outlook on blacks have over the past century. Traitors are condemned for good reason due to actions completely at their own agency. Completely the opposite of blacks, who were condemned without good reason for an inborn distinction completely out of their control, and completely irrelevant to boot.
A call to evolve into a more 'civilized' metrosexual outlook on traitors is not called for at all, IMO. They purposely, and of their own free will, act at odds to our basic societal safety and security, and for that they deserve to die.

Exactly right. I still can't believe the gubment didn't prosecute her for that.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Weren't there Jane bewbies somewhere in there?
Haven't seen it since it was at the. . . would you believe, . . drive-in. But I thought the mentioned bewbies in 'I Love the 80's.'

No!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

No, but I am under the notion that Jane Fonda was never convicted or even charged with such a thing. Am I incorrect (it's quite possible -- this is the first I've ever really heard of what she did)?

Nope. Of course, it was 'hip' to be part of the anti-war movement back then. There was no way that even our government would have been stupid enough to try to prosecute her.

As to her being guilty of treason, read this:

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by jcroft

No, but I am under the notion that Jane Fonda was never convicted or even charged with such a thing. Am I incorrect (it's quite possible -- this is the first I've ever really heard of what she did)?

I'm still operating under the "[l]eaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor" assumption. . .

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Donger

Nope. Of course, it was 'hip' to be part of the anti-war movement back then. There was no way that even our government would have been stupid enough to try to prosecute her.

As to her being guilty of treason, read this:

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."

Well, no matter what anyone believes, if she wasn't convicted of treason, then she wouldn't have even been executed back in the times you remember so fondly.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm still operating under the "[l]eaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor" assumption. . .

Alright. But I told you my feelings on that -- a convicted traitor should definitely get a very harsh punishment. However, I personally don't believe it should be death.

In the case of Jane specifically, if she wasn't convicted of a crime, I don't see how anyone could expect her to get a punishment (other than being spit on, I guess).