Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[Buck]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

It's hard for me to believe he was doping when you've got a test that was off the charts insane followed immediately by a negative test.

Braun might be the first person to win an appeal on a positive test.

Apparently this is not that hard to believe for those who are "cycling." You can test with very high levels and 12 hours later show normal levels. Which would explain why some of these guys take the risk. It makes it difficult to get caught.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by VAChief

Apparently this is not that hard to believe for those who are "cycling." You can test with very high levels and 12 hours later show normal levels. Which would explain why some of these guys take the risk. It makes it difficult to get caught.

Testosterone doesn't work the same way as EPO does. I believe Test Prop has the shortest ester and it's 1/2 life is still 2-3 days.

[alnorth]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

For what its worth, Dan Patrick says that he's got a reliable source saying that Ryan Braun is probably going to win his appeal. If that happens, he would be the first MLB player ever to win a performance-enhancing drug appeal.

[pr_capone]

I hope so. I don't wanna hate another good ballplayer.

[veist]

Originally Posted by alnorth

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

For what its worth, Dan Patrick says that he's got a reliable source saying that Ryan Braun is probably going to win his appeal. If that happens, he would be the first MLB player ever to win a performance-enhancing drug appeal.

DP already backed off that and said "I want to clarify something I said about Ryan Braun yesterday, what I should have said is he could be found not guilty." And to quote Craig Calcaterra on it "He could still, however, have his positive drug test upheld in the same way J.C. Romero‘s was, with a decision that it was inadvertent (i.e. a positive sample constituting a lack of innocence). Because MLB’s drug policy is strict liability, however, he would still be suspended because intention has nothing to do with it."

Which would suck for him since he'd probably still get the whole "doping" treatment from the media even if it was nothing more than a tainted supplement.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by veist

DP already backed off that and said "I want to clarify something I said about Ryan Braun yesterday, what I should have said is he could be found not guilty." And to quote Craig Calcaterra on it "He could still, however, have his positive drug test upheld in the same way J.C. Romero‘s was, with a decision that it was inadvertent (i.e. a positive sample constituting a lack of innocence). Because MLB’s drug policy is strict liability, however, he would still be suspended because intention has nothing to do with it."

Which would suck for him since he'd probably still get the whole "doping" treatment from the media even if it was nothing more than a tainted supplement.

Kind of hard to prove intention, that's why its irrelevent.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Testosterone doesn't work the same way as EPO does. I believe Test Prop has the shortest ester and it's 1/2 life is still 2-3 days.

Around that, without looking it up.

Most guys don't have a clue as to what they are talking about with this.

Guys that bitch about guys using PED's are pussies. These same mother ****ers usually want to legalize pot then cry like bottlefed mother ****ers when someone uses PED's.

Shit should be legal before pot should. I never heard of someones driving being impaired from using test or tren or dbol or halo. ****ing stupid.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by veist

DP already backed off that and said "I want to clarify something I said about Ryan Braun yesterday, what I should have said is he could be found not guilty." And to quote Craig Calcaterra on it "He could still, however, have his positive drug test upheld in the same way J.C. Romero‘s was, with a decision that it was inadvertent (i.e. a positive sample constituting a lack of innocence). Because MLB’s drug policy is strict liability, however, he would still be suspended because intention has nothing to do with it."

Which would suck for him since he'd probably still get the whole "doping" treatment from the media even if it was nothing more than a tainted supplement.

yeah, I knew about strict liability, which was why I was a little surprised about his apparent confidence. With DP's backtrack, its now faded back into murkiness, but for people who know the details to say there's even a reasonable chance he could win suggests something very odd.

Its not enough to say "oops, I didn't mean to", even if you could prove lack of intent, if the sample is positive, you are suspended. Normally, you'd either have to prove that the test itself was flawed and unreliable at least in your case, which is tough to do, or you'd need something really crazy like someone intentionally (and criminally?) spiked you in the hopes of causing you to fail the test, or someone in the testing facility contaminated your sample, or something strange like that.

(though with reports that his sample had chain of custody problems, and the result was "insanely high" as in twice as high as anyone else ever tested in known history, perhaps the argument is that the sample was spiked or contaminated in transit.)

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

I hope so. I don't wanna hate another good ballplayer.

This....plus he is on my fantasy team.

[KC_Connection]

Meh. Have never understood why anybody would hate a baseball player for taking PEDs. Countless players have taken PEDs over the game's history, it's very much a part of the culture of the sport. Taking a drug to improve help their performance and livelihood doesn't make anybody a bad person.

But yeah...Braun is also on my fantasy team. I could really use those 50 games of production.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Meh. Have never understood why anybody would hate a baseball player for taking PEDs. Countless players have taken PEDs over the game's history, it's very much a part of the culture of the sport. Taking a drug to improve help their performance and livelihood doesn't make anybody a bad person.

But yeah...Braun is also on my fantasy team. I could really use those 50 games of production.

People generally don't like cheaters.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Around that, without looking it up.

Most guys don't have a clue as to what they are talking about with this.

Guys that bitch about guys using PED's are pussies. These same mother ****ers usually want to legalize pot then cry like bottlefed mother ****ers when someone uses PED's.

Shit should be legal before pot should. I never heard of someones driving being impaired from using test or tren or dbol or halo. ****ing stupid.

I would be more cool with it being used in every day society then in pro sports. They create too big of an advantage with the user compared to the non user and while I understand them 1/2 ass and the ignorance to the actual side effects I don't think anyone should be forced to use them to keep up with a career path. You would almost need to have serperate leagues. One for users and one for non users, but it's pretty obvious which one everyone would watch.

[kcxiv]

.lol, I like how when Manny got busted the media was like omg his legacy is tainted. Im like He does NOT care bout his legacy. He came dirt ass no clothes poor to play a game where he made alot of money. Do you really think players from 3rd world countries care about legacy when they have a chance to make so much money? If i grew up the way most of them Latin players did, i'd have no ****ing problem using PeD's for a chance at big time money like that. 300 million and living in a place like the Dominican Republic? shiit. live like a damned king.

Anyways, if dude is guilty or not, doesnt really matter much anymore. S ame with any sport. Its out there, just police it the best they can and thats it.

[veist]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Kind of hard to prove intention, that's why its irrelevent.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, when I say it sucks for him if it was merely a tainted supplement I mean the treatment he's going to get in the media sucks. The punishment is the punishment, they collectively bargained a strict liability system for testing and regardless of intent if you test positive under that system you are and should be suspended.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by jd1020

People generally don't like cheaters.

So the only thing that makes people hate these baseball players is that it's against the rules? I don't think that it's at all. That doesn't, for example, explain how nobody really cares when a football player is caught cheating with PEDs.