Tebow: The Final Numbers

[Mama Hip Rockets]

1729 passing yards (31st in NFL)
46.5 % completion percentage (by far the worst in the NFL)
6.4 yards per attempt (26th in NFL)
123.5 passing yards per game (worst in NFL, obviously)
12 passing touchdowns (27th in NFL)
72.9 QB rating (27th in NFL)

He is 26th in the NFL in his most prolific passing category. So awesome.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Tebow isn't the greatest passer and may not be the long-term solution, but I do know that I've seen enough of Quinn to realize that if he was even marginally better than Orton or Tebow, he would have played by now.

There's a reason he failed in CLE and is backing up in Denver... the guy sucks, he's not a leader. Tebow has what a lot of the "supposed to be great QBs" have lacked, and he lacks what everyone thought would make those other guys great. The team appears to have responded positively to Tebow where the teams of QBs like George, Russell, Carr, Quinn, etc never did.

If you could mix the good aspects of Tebow and someone like ... Romo, that QB could be the greatest of all time.

You could be correct. It also could have something to do with the fact that as Orton faltered the fans were chanting, "Tebow! Tebow! Tebow!" rather than "Brady! Brady! Brady!"

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

You could be correct. It also could have something to do with the fact that as Orton faltered the fans were chanting, "Tebow! Tebow! Tebow!" rather than "Brady! Brady! Brady!"

Maybe, but I really don't see them making the move because of the fans... if they truly believed in Quinn (remember, Elway and Fox didn't bring any of them here) then they would have played him. They had no idea what they had with Tebow... they knew what they had with Quinn.

I am quite certain that they made the move to Tebow not thinking they would go 7-4 and be where they are right now. I believe they viewed the season as lost and that Quinn wouldn't save them.. only bringing on more calls for the QB that they didn't know much about, so they bypassed the whipping of Quinn starting and said let's see what happens.

Well, there was good and bad... but the good won out to a degree. Can Quinn still start in this league? I'm sure he can, but he's less than Orton and we've seen him and dozens of other QBs that are similar bounce around the league for years.

Tebow isn't a great pure passer right now... he has lots of things to work on, so we'll see if they build around him with players and enhance the game plan a bit with him going forward. Or, maybe they scrap the whole thing... but, despite the ugliness, I think he's earned the right to go into 2012 as the starting QB and we'll see how the team responds.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Yep better for you. That is why your season is over and Tebow is in the playoffs.

This is All-World trolling right here, folks.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Tebow isn't the greatest passer and may not be the long-term solution, but I do know that I've seen enough of Quinn to realize that if he was even marginally better than Orton or Tebow, he would have played by now.

There's a reason he failed in CLE and is backing up in Denver... the guy sucks, he's not a leader. Tebow has what a lot of the "supposed to be great QBs" have lacked, and he lacks what everyone thought would make those other guys great. The team appears to have responded positively to Tebow where the teams of QBs like George, Russell, Carr, Quinn, etc never did.

If you could mix the good aspects of Tebow and someone like ... Romo, that QB could be the greatest of all time.

What are the aspects of Romo that you wish Tebow had?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

What are the aspects of Romo that you wish Tebow had?

The aspect of reading defenses? Or maybe actually making throws?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

What are the aspects of Romo that you wish Tebow had?

I was using Romo as an example... I live in Dallas and they tear him down every year when they fail like this. Romo has lots of physical gifts that you want in a QB, but he lacks smarts at times... lacks poise and leadership. I don't think the team believes in him, his body language or his desire.

If they're down and look to him - do they believe he will bring them back?

Those are traits that few QBs have... even dumb face Eli has these traits, coupled with the ability to be a solid pure passer. No, he's not the greatest and isn't elite... but there's a reason why he owns Romo and always seems to come out on top when his team needs him.

Tebow has a lot of that... what I wish he also possessed were some of the passing skills. Tebow can make some great passes, but he gets rattled - often times by his own hesitations because he appears afraid to make a mistake and wants to trust his running. That happened yesterday...

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Bowser

The aspect of reading defenses? Or maybe actually making throws?

I don't disagree.

I guess I should probably reword the question.

Are there any aspects that you wish Tebow had that are non-teachable?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I don't disagree.

I guess I should probably reword the question.

Are there any aspects that you wish Tebow had that are non-teachable?

I'm not sure... I know that poise, leadership and mental toughness cannot be taught and he has all of those. All they can do is continue to work on him with the passing game and add playmakers that fit the scheme.

Tebow will certainly put in the hours to improve... that's well documented, I think you can see improvement in his throwing motion and how he has changed things in that area. Some of this just comes with more repetition and experience, so we'll see.

Tebow will never be a Drew Brees type QB... few ever reach that level. But, he can get better... use the pocket more and work the short passing game - they simply DO NOT have a short passing game right now, it's all or nothing.

[Chiefaholic]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

1729 passing yards (31st in NFL)
46.5 % completion percentage (by far the worst in the NFL)
6.4 yards per attempt (26th in NFL)
123.5 passing yards per game (worst in NFL, obviously)
12 passing touchdowns (27th in NFL)
72.9 QB rating (27th in NFL)

He is 26th in the NFL in his most prolific passing category. So awesome.

It's TEBOW TIME!!!

[Mile High Mania]

Quick add...

Just looking at the Broncos recent history... there are reasons why guys like Griese, Plummer, Cutler and Orton have failed... but for each one, can you call them great leaders? Do they have poise and mental toughness?

I don't think so... Tebow has all that stuff, but he also lacks the "passing stats" and production that those guys had and those guys didn't and haven't won much. Now, I think Plummer got screwed over in Denver... the guy made horrible mistakes at times, but he did play well and he had a great run game and defense for a few years in Denver.

Tebow has those things (sort of) now... solid run game and a good defense - both could improve on their consistency. Just as Tebow should likely be given a chance to prove he can improve in 2012 with one more full offseason and training camp and some new additions to the team.

We'll see... if it's more of what we see now by the midway point in 2012, then you can certainly say I'm in favor of moving on. But, let's see if they can make this work. There's just not a better QB on the FA market coming out (I don't think) and they're not going to get a rookie QB in the first round (most likely) that could be better ...

[Brock]

Yeah, Tyler Thigpen should have gotten more of a chance too.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Quick add...

Just looking at the Broncos recent history... there are reasons why guys like Griese, Plummer, Cutler and Orton have failed... but for each one, can you call them great leaders? Do they have poise and mental toughness?

I don't think so... Tebow has all that stuff, but he also lacks the "passing stats" and production that those guys had and those guys didn't and haven't won much. Now, I think Plummer got screwed over in Denver... the guy made horrible mistakes at times, but he did play well and he had a great run game and defense for a few years in Denver.

Tebow has those things (sort of) now... solid run game and a good defense - both could improve on their consistency. Just as Tebow should likely be given a chance to prove he can improve in 2012 with one more full offseason and training camp and some new additions to the team.

We'll see... if it's more of what we see now by the midway point in 2012, then you can certainly say I'm in favor of moving on. But, let's see if they can make this work. There's just not a better QB on the FA market coming out (I don't think) and they're not going to get a rookie QB in the first round (most likely) that could be better ...

I suppose the problem I see is that I think a lot of Tebow's leadership has come from his proven success in the past. People EXPECT him to be good and EXPECT that he will be helping the team win. I think that leadership is at risk when he starts to be a liability for the team.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Omega

46.5% is the lowest completion percentage for an NFL QB with 11+ starts since 1963 (Ed Brown)

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...=pass_cmp_perc

Actually you have Steve Deberg, Mark Malone and Akili Smith bringing up the basement.

[smittysbar]

I hope he is a Bronco for years to come!

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Ignorance abound in this thread.

-We don't run the wild cat
-Tebow can pass accurately, but his whole passing game needs work
-He can read defenses. He just needs more NFL experience and better anticipation.

Besides...he can learn all that stuff. You act as though he is what he always will be. That's not how human beings work. Especially when they are young.

May he bless Denver for all his days.