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Old 08-18-2014, 03:56 PM  
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After the departure of three key offensive linemen you would excuse the Chiefs’ for being off the pace up front and they certainly struggled in their first extended outing of preseason.

All five starting linemen earned negative grades in pass protection with Eric Fisher (40 snaps, -1.4 overall), Jeff Allen and Zach Fulton (40 snaps, -4.6 overall) surrendering multiple pressures. Conceding the most pressure was new right guard Fulton who let up a pair of hits and a pair of hurries, getting started early as Star Lotulelei drove outside of him for a hurry early in the game.

The bright point, and potential pressure for Fulton’s starting job, came from new signing Jeff Linkenbach (27 snaps, +3.8 overall) who surrendered no pressure with the second team and put in a very strong run-blocking display to offer a modicum of hope.
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In spite of registering his first sack of the preseason this was a crash back down to earth for Dee Ford (34 snaps, -4.1 overall), struggling in every phase of the game.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:12 PM   #91
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It would seem the goal is to suck.
No not really. I think the goal is above that, but it is not to try year in and year out with the strive to win the SB.
I think they want us to stay above 7-9 record. Almost at no matter the long term cost.
I think for the Chiefs to get to a SB it is going to have to be a "Lightning in a bottle" type of thing.
I believe the ownerships goal is to field teams that will have 10-6 and 11-5 records in the regular season. Thinking that those teams should be able to win a playoff game or two every once in a while. Which no it sure hasn't exactly worked out that way winning anything meaningful, but I think that is what they want. Just a winning football team that makes a little noise every once in a while.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:18 PM   #92
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It would seem the goal is to suck.
Because we are the Chiefs
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:13 AM   #93
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Man there are some stupid people here.

People bitch because Alex Smith is up there on the win column with Manning, Brady and Brees over the last 4-5 years. They say it's an irrelevant stat. How many NFL QBs have winning records? Take a hard look at the history of that stat.

Then they complain that the Chiefs aren't trying to win.

I must say that it is entertaining.
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:24 AM   #94
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There is a bigger picture agenda here that I don't think that a lot of people are willing to accept.

Spending two 2nd rounders on Alex smith crippled two draft classes.

Couple that with the fact that last years draft was about the worst in recent memory, and of course the Chiefs would have the first pick in that abortion.

The Irony of that is that there were several people on this forum who were flaming the Chiefs for not taking geno smith, fair, but then when accepted that wasn't going to be the case, also flamed them for thinking about taking Joeckell, insisting that they would be okay with taking Eric Fisher, just not joeckell.

Now some of those same ass hats, are anti fisher.

Meanwhile, Joeckell has looked really good the first two preseason games this year.

This is a process. you do not go from a 2-14 football team to super bowl contender in one night.

it didn't happen in philly for the eagles when Andy reid arrived.

it happened quickly, yes, but not over night.

they built it the same way they are doing it here.

Slowly weeding out the garbage that was there, which they are doing, and will continue doing next year when players like Hali (hes not garbage, but hes old) Bowe, (unless he has an out of body experience all year, and he too will be 31 next season) and building a young foundation around Alex smith going forward.

I get it. the Chiefs fans have suffered for so many DECADES, not years DECADES that patience is none existent.

But it will end up in a positive.

you can already see the depth that is being built around the team. There are some areas that need to be still addressed, but in reality, the rbs are being built, the pass rush is being built, the oline is being built, and they still need work, but I think that the idea was for long term longevity, rather than instant gratification.

ill get flamed, and called an idiot, but for decades the same adage has always been true.

rome was not built in a day.

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Old 08-19-2014, 06:28 AM   #95
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I'd be interested to see the GB pff o-line stats while Dorsey was up there. I don't think he'll put much emphasis on it. If they are good 90% of the time it will be enough for Dorsey and Reid imo. We have an elusive QB.
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Man there are some stupid people here.

People bitch because Alex Smith is up there on the win column with Manning, Brady and Brees over the last 4-5 years. They say it's an irrelevant stat. How many NFL QBs have winning records? Take a hard look at the history of that stat.

Then they complain that the Chiefs aren't trying to win.

I must say that it is entertaining.
It's pretty bad.. but yes... hard to look away from.

I feel badly for all of the die-hard fans here that actually do still have a spine left, and believe that their team may in fact get that 1st playoff win since 97. I guess many have left the forum for good. Why stay and deal with all of the tears and vaginal discharge?

Chiefs were so close last year! Oh, but "easy schedule! and a fluke! They are not trying! They just want mediocrity!"

Poor, defeated bastards.
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I'd be interested to see the GB pff o-line stats while Dorsey was up there. I don't think he'll put much emphasis on it. If they are good 90% of the time it will be enough for Dorsey and Reid imo. We have an elusive QB.
It wasn't for lack of addressing it.

They drafted bulaga, derrick sherrod, sherrod is just a bust, and bulaga has been okay, he's just hurt.
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:31 AM   #98
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Man there are some stupid people here.

People bitch because Alex Smith is up there on the win column with Manning, Brady and Brees over the last 4-5 years. They say it's an irrelevant stat. How many NFL QBs have winning records? Take a hard look at the history of that stat.

Then they complain that the Chiefs aren't trying to win.

I must say that it is entertaining.
You get a lot of grief here, but this is probably the most intelligent post from you that I have ever seen. It is easily the most intelligent one in the thread.

I'm like, all teeth.

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You get a lot of grief here, but this is probably the most intelligent post from you that I have ever seen. It is easily the most intelligent one in the thread.

I'm like, all teeth.

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That's funny, so was Blackbob/John Dope (according to his uncle/babysitter/babysitter's son)
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Old 08-19-2014, 07:28 AM   #100
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Man there are some stupid people here.

People bitch because Alex Smith is up there on the win column with Manning, Brady and Brees over the last 4-5 years. They say it's an irrelevant stat. How many NFL QBs have winning records? Take a hard look at the history of that stat.

Then they complain that the Chiefs aren't trying to win.

I must say that it is entertaining.
People bitch because the Chiefs made a BUNCH of win-now moves before the 2013 season, including signing several second-tier free agents that now have eaten up the team's cap space, then did NOTHING but sit on their haunches and add via the draft this offseason.

They seem to be competing philosophies.
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It's pretty bad.. but yes... hard to look away from.

I feel badly for all of the die-hard fans here that actually do still have a spine left, and believe that their team may in fact get that 1st playoff win since 97. I guess many have left the forum for good. Why stay and deal with all of the tears and vaginal discharge?

Chiefs were so close last year! Oh, but "easy schedule! and a fluke! They are not trying! They just want mediocrity!"

Poor, defeated bastards.
You mean first playoff win since '93...
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Old 08-19-2014, 07:31 AM   #102
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That's funny, so was Blackbob/John Dope (according to his uncle/babysitter/babysitter's son)
Funny stuff.

I am honestly interested in your opinion, sorter. Are wins a relevant stat? I didn't have you figured for one of the Genobators. Do you think we should have drafted Geno? Should we have/have not traded for Alex?

I didn't have you figured for a PFF fantasy geek, more of a real football X&O guy. Therefore your takes would have more credibility.

I'm not defending the poster, just acknowledging a good point when it is brought up. It did seem ironic coming from him, though.

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The OL was bad and Allen was / is the worst. As bad as it was, the CB's got them beat...At least the OL can do decent things sometimes, the CB's cant.
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so the #1 pick in the draft has a shoulder that tires out after one quarter


at least it was a safe pick...that being the priority, of course
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