Patrick Mahomes Question Looms Large as Alex Smith Continues to Struggle

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

but the Gigabits

And cloud storage.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

but the Gigabits

The gigabits that runs in the middle of the field to get tackled with 8 seconds left and only one timeout. Those gigabits?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

The gigabits that runs in the middle of the field to get tackled with 8 seconds left and only one timeout. Those gigabits?

Holy ****, that's almost as bad as throwing OOB on the last play of the game - or snapping the ball with 10-15 seconds left in a playoff game where you're shitting the bed and keep putting the defense on the field in the 2nd half.

There's more, but **** it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Alex Smith:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Here's the video of Mahomes beating cover 2 with a great ball to Chesson. Go to 2:28.

https://youtu.be/6ilh_Z7NEl8

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Here's the video of Mahomes beating cover 2 with a great ball to Chesson. Go to 2:28.

https://youtu.be/6ilh_Z7NEl8

Throwing to a nobody with nobody blocking blocking.

Not a great play, but it's definitely one Smith doesn't make.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Here's the video of Mahomes beating cover 2 with a great ball to Chesson. Go to 2:28.

https://youtu.be/6ilh_Z7NEl8

and a lot of plays that look like Smith....but against the 2nd stringers

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

and a lot of plays that look like Smith....but against the 2nd stringers

I'm not even going to address the idea that he looked like Smith, but you should analyze more clearly and see that for half of that game he played with backups against Seattle starters.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I'm not even going to address the idea that he looked like Smith, but you should analyze more clearly and see that for half of that game he played with backups against Seattle starters.

completion 1st d
dink to LOS
scramble and sack instead of TIA
short throw behind receiver
scramble, throw it away at receivers back
long bomb OOB
too high over mifddle, lucky not picked off
1st down over middle
close to 1st
scramble for short gainand 1st d
long bomb to endzone, way overthrown
too high pass to LOS
10yd pas 1d
ball thrown too far OOB no TD
fumble for a loss
low pass, no completion
dink 3yd pass, immediately covered

Patrick Mahomes

8/15

70

4.7

0

0

1-7

66.0

Now, he did have a few nice plays, but what about the majority of that is any better than what AS does on average. Not talking about his outliers, but AVERAGE.

I'll take your word for it as against Seattle's starters. But the misses in the video weren't drops, they were bad throws IMO.

And this was pointed to as his best game wasn't it??

[Chiefnj2]

3 snaps a week and people think Reid is going to voluntarily bench Smith? Bench the guy who was the leading QB in the league for the first 5 games of the year? Good luck with that.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

And this was pointed to as his best game wasn't it??

Seattle was his worst preseason game and I think everyone would agree with that

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

• completion 1st d - Rolled left, threw accurate pass running to his left
• dink to LOS - Checkdown
• scramble and sack instead of TIA - Well scrambled away from pressure. Should have ended the play better.
• short throw behind receiver - Inaccurate on timing route. To be expected from a guy who's had a few weeks to work with receivers.
• scramble, throw it away at receivers back - Again, escapes pressure. Very smart decision to throw the ball away.
• long bomb OOB - A throw Alex does not make. Pass rush is immediately in his face and he decides to overthrow the ball to see if the receiver can catch up for it. Very smart play under pressure.
• too high over mifddle, lucky not picked off - not a good pass
• 1st down over middle - Incredible pocket presence. Again, rolling left throws a dart. Alex would have rolled right into the sack.
• close to 1st - Good slant route. This is a throw Alex would make.
• scramble for short gainand 1st d - another Alex like play
• Missed this one - Beautiful out route thrown at the sticks. Quick decision, a sideline throw that Alex is usually afraid to make
• long bomb to endzone, way overthrown - This looked more like a throwaway to me than an overthrow. Had a guy in triple coverage. These are the types of plays you'd expect he'll make less of as he learns to read defenses
• too high pass to LOS - checkdown
• Another miss- Escapes pressure rolling left, throws first round dart on the
• ball thrown too far OOB no TD - What are you talking about? Beautiful back shoulder throw. Travis does a terrible job getting his feet down
• fumble for a loss
• low pass, no completion - Thrown under immediate duress. A low pass but not a good safe "throwaway" with a chance for completion
• dink 3yd pass, immediately covered - designed screen pass

Now, he did have a few nice plays, but what about the majority of that is any better than what AS does on average. Not talking about his outliers, but AVERAGE.

I'll take your word for it as against Seattle's starters. But the misses in the video weren't drops, they were bad throws IMO.

And this was pointed to as his best game wasn't it??

Edited your post to show my commentary. There's more to those plays than you described.

First of all, what did he do different from Alex Smith? Proved multiple times he has better pocket presence. Showed ability multiple times to throw on the run, even more impressive that he did it rolling left. Multiple times threw at the sticks instead of the checkdown. Gives his receivers a chance when he throws the ball away (we saw that multiple times in the preseason). In the face of pressure, he still tries to make a throw with none of those passes looking at all risky.

And by the way, I don't think this was the game he showed what he can do. This was a game where he showed what he had learned. In previous games, he was absolutely outstanding using his mobility not to run, even pressure situations the took a miracle to get out of. This was a game where he replaced some of that freelancing with very smart throwaway balls and where he looks to get rid of the ball much, much faster.

There is no way you can possibly think that Mahomes didn't flash this preseason that he has a hell of a lot more to offer than Smith. Of course it's a risk. But I don't think it is because there isn't any more upside to Smith. We know exactly what he is.

[iDeaL]

Hey guys, life long Chiefs fan. I have lurked these forums for a while but never made an account until now. I have been active on the Chiefs Reddit page, and it turns out advocating for Mahomes is very unpopular over there.. who would have thought? Figured I would make an account here so I can hang out with the cool kids. Some of you on here are pretty brutal tho so be gentle at first or use lube or something.

I've never been a Smith dickrider but tried to give him the benefit of the doubt pretty much the whole time he has been a Chief up until now. With the people who ride or die with him its never his fault and always this, that, or the third excuse that he doesn't get it done. Poor line play, no WRs, the wind, poor play calling, poor coaching, or anything else under the sun to deflect blame. I'm all aboard the Mahomes train now. I was at the game this Sunday and got to witness Smith shit the bed in real time and it was the last straw for me. It was excruciating. Bottom line is a QB is rarely ever going to have a perfect or ideal situation around him, and while Smith is not the worst, he is one of those guys that would literally need everything around him to be absolutely perfect and have a #1 defense on the other side of the ball if he was ever going to win anything, sort of like a Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson type. Also, I think a lot of the play calling that people harp on is a result of the way the offense is run to live within Smith's limited skill set. We shouldn't HAVE to be running gimmick plays to try and make things happen.

Look, nothing against Smith personally, he seems like a great person and I do appreciate his contributions to helping get us out of the mess we were in prior to 2013, but this is a business and when its time, its time. Everyone always mentions what a "true professional" he is, so he should understand, right? He will likely be a starter somewhere else after KC. He'll get another shot, but we moved up to draft the kid for a reason.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by iDeaL

Hey guys, life long Chiefs fan. I have lurked these forums for a while but never made an account until now. I have been active on the Chiefs Reddit page, and it turns out advocating for Mahomes is very unpopular over there.. who would have thought? Figured I would make an account here so I can hang out with the cool kids. Some of you on here are pretty brutal tho so be gentle at first or use lube or something.

I've never been a Smith dickrider but tried to give him the benefit of the doubt pretty much the whole time he has been a Chief up until now. With the people who ride or die with him its never his fault and always this, that, or the third excuse that he doesn't get it done. Poor line play, no WRs, the wind, poor play calling, poor coaching, or anything else under the sun to deflect blame. I'm all aboard the Mahomes train now. I was at the game this Sunday and got to witness Smith shit the bed in real time and it was the last straw for me. It was excruciating. Bottom line is a QB is rarely ever going to have a perfect or ideal situation around him, and while Smith is not the worst, he is one of those guys that would literally need everything around him to be absolutely perfect and have a #1 defense on the other side of the ball if he was ever going to win anything, sort of like a Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson type. Also, I think a lot of the play calling that people harp on is a result of the way the offense is run to live within Smith's limited skill set. We shouldn't HAVE to be running gimmick plays to try and make things happen.

Look, nothing against Smith personally, he seems like a great person and I do appreciate his contributions to helping get us out of the mess we were in prior to 2013, but this is a business and when its time, its time. Everyone always mentions what a "true professional" he is, so he should understand, right? He will likely be a starter somewhere else after KC. He'll get another shot, but we moved up to draft the kid for a reason.

Welcome to the board. You'll like it here sometimes.