Jaguars open to trading Ramsey this offseason.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Jags take a $16 million hit in dead money if they dump Bortles and they guaranteed part of his 2019 salary. They don't want to keep him, but like the Chiefs with Berry - it's gonna sting a bit to do otherwise.

Now if I'm the Jags, I'd still consider it and for the same reasons. They can clear about $10 million if they June 1 tag him because they would still lose about $10 million in non-guaranteed 2019 salary. But that team's tight against the cap for the next year or two and are going to have to blow it up soon thereafter.

I'm not sure what kind of QB they can bring in that would fit under the cap either way. They'd have to throw a pick Chicago's way for someone like Daniel. Foles is gonna cost a bit (for some bizarre reason). Fitzpatrick is just a less mobile Bortles. They're just kinda ****ed here with this Bortles situation.

The Jags should be packaging a mid rounder in a salary purge to a team that will never be able to spend 100 mil in cap space (Hello Oakland).

Would dump Dareus and Barry Church and trade off Ramsey for a team dying to overpay.

With carryover and appropriate moves, it would put them at 25m in space for 2019 and nearly 60m in 2020. That wpuld put them out of cap hell.

Let Kessler suck it up next season while you draft some pieces on Offense and take Tua in 2020.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The Jags should be packaging a mid rounder in a salary purge to a team that will never be able to spend 100 mil in cap space (Hello Oakland).

Would dump Dareus and Barry Church and trade off Ramsey for a team dying to overpay.

With carryover and appropriate moves, it would put them at 25m in space for 2019 and nearly 60m in 2020. That wpuld put them out of cap hell.

Let Kessler suck it up next season while you draft some pieces on Offense and take Tua in 2020.

Oh no question - there's a way out. Just not within this window they thought they saw.

They looked at this defense with Campbell and Jackson as expensive FAs, Ramsey, Jack on rookie deals allowing them to pay for Smith and Bouye. They have a 2-3 year window with this defense but it absolutely required they hit on a replacement for Bortles or Bortles look more like the 2015 version (with fewer turnovers due to experience). They gambled on Bortles and lost; it will cost them this window.

You're right - time to tear it down and start over. Maybe try to put some actual offensive weapons on the field. There's a tepid defense to be made for Bortles right now and it centers on the fact that he really has nobody to throw to over there. Paying Moncreif like a fringe #1 doesn't mean he is and Westbrook just isn't there yet.

It's funny though - they're mirror images to the Chiefs in a lot of ways. The Chiefs just chose to put their resources into offense during an offensive era. The Jags appear to have committed to a flawed strategy; they picked the wrong time to build this team. 8 years ago they might have had a contender on their hands but I just don't see a path to a championship with that model these days.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh no question - there's a way out. Just not within this window they thought they saw.

They looked at this defense with Campbell and Jackson as expensive FAs, Ramsey, Jack on rookie deals allowing them to pay for Smith and Bouye. They have a 2-3 year window with this defense but it absolutely required they hit on a replacement for Bortles or Bortles look more like the 2015 version (with fewer turnovers due to experience). They gambled on Bortles and lost; it will cost them this window.

You're right - time to tear it down and start over. Maybe try to put some actual offensive weapons on the field. There's a tepid defense to be made for Bortles right now and it centers on the fact that he really has nobody to throw to over there. Paying Moncreif like a fringe #1 doesn't mean he is and Westbrook just isn't there yet.

It's funny though - they're mirror images to the Chiefs in a lot of ways. The Chiefs just chose to put their resources into offense during an offensive era. The Jags appear to have committed to a flawed strategy; they picked the wrong time to build this team. 8 years ago they might have had a contender on their hands but I just don't see a path to a championship with that model these days.

You just have to be so good defensively for so long, and have to keep everyone together. With injuries, the cap and the fact that playing defensive football is always going to lead to close games which brings in the bounce of the ball the wrong way beating you in to play.

Just look back at the last couple years of Chiefs football. They had good solid defenses and could run the ball but they just couldn't put teams away. You're always going to be playing close games and if you get behind, you're toast.

[BryanBusby]

The biggest issue in Jacksonville is that the coach seems like a giant dickhead and nobody wants to play for a guy like that.

He wore himself thin in Buffalo because of it and is now doing it in Jacksonville. The Jags need a new identity top to bottom.

[BigRedChief]

These ain’t choir boys. And it seems corners are especially prone to arrogance and self-centered asshole actions.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

These ain’t choir boys. And it seems corners are especially prone to arrogance and self-centered asshole actions.

That's fine.

But Jalen Ramsey is a team leader on a team that has imploded as memorably as any team in recent memory. That absolutely counts for something.

[RunKC]

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— Buffalo Bills (@buffalobills) November 25, 2018

[O.city]

Maybe they'll cut Dareus though. I'd like to bring him in. LOL.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe they'll cut Dareus though. I'd like to bring him in. LOL.

They absolutely have to make some cuts next seasom, and he will be a prime one with 0 dead cap.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

They absolutely have to make some cuts next seasom, and he will be a prime one with 0 dead cap.

Oh he's def getting cut.

I'd be leery to sign a DL with his background though.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by O.city

Oh he's def getting cut.

I'd be leery to sign a DL with his background though.

I wouldn't say he's def getting cut for the reason being that Marrone was the HC in Buffalo when he was there and that they traded for him in part because of Marrone.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I wouldn't say he's def getting cut for the reason being that Marrone was the HC in Buffalo when he was there and that they traded for him in part because of Marrone.

They pretty much have to cut him for money.

[Hoover]

I see Bortles was benched today.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I see Bortles was benched today.

I have no idea who their backup even is?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I see Bortles was benched today.

Horrendous move bringing him back from last year. They should have went after Alex Smith or Cousins in the off season.