Offseason Changes and/or concerns about tonight’s game.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Again, in a year in which by game 4 we had lost WR1 AND WR2, and in which plan A and plan B at LT had cratered.

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

That’s apples to oranges a little, Mahomes spent all of camp and summer working with those 2022 receivers.

This year, the guys he did all that work with were gonna by week 4.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

Yeah I agree. I think Mahomes is still hungover from the shit he had to deal with last year. I know he’s not the most accurate deep thrower but it looked like he’s been battling the yips all year. And we all know he’s been missing or hesitating on throws we know he can make. It still feels like his issues are way more mental than they are ability. We probably need to overcorrection him to get him out of his funk. And once we do, I think he’s set for a while

If I’m being an optimist maybe this lights a fire that we had a great run with being just good enough to not lose. But we’ve gotta get Mahomes back to not just finding ways to win… we need him to reincarnate john wick again

[kccrow]

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

Chiefs didn’t have major IOL pressure issues until Thuney kicked out.

Fix LT and you fix two issues.

Smith may well have a replacement on the roster already.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

I was with you until last night. Unfortunately the roster concerns top to bottom aren't as overblown as I though they were. A couple mediocre drafts in 23 and 24 is catching up fast.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

Totally agree it's LT and work out the rest later, but given how many FAs we have I'm not convinced that doesn't end up with us blowing it all up, effectively.

I'd try and pay Stanley. I'd imagine that would mean getting cheaper than some combination of Omenihu, DHop, Brown and Reid, and not paying Trey and Bolton. To pay Stanley we'll surely need to trim a lot of fat and see a fair few walk.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

This is correct.

Just getting Rice back and moving Thuney back inside are huge. I’d like to see what Hollywood could do on another cheap deal if possible.

RB is a problem, but that’s a fairly quick one to fix.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

This is correct.

Just getting Rice back and moving Thuney back inside are huge. I’d like to see what Hollywood could do on another cheap deal if possible.

RB is a problem, but that’s a fairly quick one to fix.

Draft Treyevon Henderson. That'd do it.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

Last night was a reminder though that if Ronnie Stanley is available, we’re going to have to strongly consider paying him whatever it takes. Not coming out of this offseason without a legit answer at LT is not an option.

Everything else is secondary.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Last night was a reminder though that if Ronnie Stanley is available, we’re going to have to strongly consider paying him whatever it takes. Not coming out of this offseason without a legit answer at LT is not an option.

Everything else is secondary.

I thought he wasn't going to be an option, but his projected contract appears to be about $20M a year, which is doable...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

It's so hard to imagine teams giving up these guys to FA willingly.

The Ravens have nobody waiting to replace Stanley. They probably franchise him and look for a long-term replacement soon. A guy like Ersery fits them well.

The Rams don't have anyone to replace Alaric Jackson. I'd imagine they keep him. Joe Noteboom isn't the answer behind him, he can't even stay healthy plus he's a FA too.

So now you're down to probably Cam Robinson, Dan Moore, Jedrick Wills, and Tyron Smith.

Do we want to tie up money into Robinson or Moore? Those guys are sieves themselves. Robinson had 52 pressures allowed (8.2%), including 7 sacks, and 13 penalties this year. Moore had 41 pressures allowed (6.7%), including 12 sacks, and 5 penalties this year. For reference, Wanya Morris had 35 pressures (7.7%), including 5 sacks, and 11 penalties. Looking at the other side, Jawaan Taylor had 37 pressures (5.3%), including 7 sacks, and 17 penalties. Those guys aren't making us better at LT over Wanya, really.

Wills is total shit. Tyron Smith is 35 and washed.


If we want a LT, we really need to get that guy in the draft.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by kccrow

If we want a LT, we really need to get that guy in the draft.

Guarantee you the top 3-4 LTs will be gone by #31. Like QB, it is a premium position and teams will reach for them.

It's just poor planning by Veach. he should have had a LT ready to go when Orlando left.