All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended

[Logical]

I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Chieficus

I was thinking of something a bit softer and less pointy--he just might spit the nails at me...

Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.

Glad to see you have a raging boner for me today.

It's a pretty select group that gets to be a target of BD's pathetic stalking.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Glad to see you have a raging boner for me today.

It's a pretty select group that gets to be a target of BD's pathetic stalking.

Just don't hurt me dude, I'm on your side really.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by Chieficus

Heck, if I wasn't a believer I'd go have myself a merry time eatin', drinkin', and sleepin' around with the girls for "tomorrow we die"--but that's just me and my own depravity...

And I'm sure if your Calvinist Bapsits friends think like this Calvinist Baptist then they probably say something along the lines of: "Aside from that crap about God telling you to do that, that's really expected. But you need to repent and we'll be praying and hoping that you are of the elect..."

oh wait a minute, Yahweh wrote on the walls of Assyria so the unelected could see, He had several group of people not Israelites that Yahweh talked to and didn't curse the jews. He talked to Saul and then let him become a reprobate. He refused the offering of Cain and talk to him and such. Don't be so sure that god didn't tell me himself. He is a truthful god isn't he. And if you ask. . .

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chieficus

If it works for you...



If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

[Jenson71]

I go to Church almost every Sunday. Get off my porch.


(Just kidding, I don't have a porch, and it doesn't bother me that much. Still, I would say it's unnessary and hurts "the cause")

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by KC-TBB

Wow, don't know quite what to say here...on one hand it is quite a personel thing (religion) but as a Christian you are asked to tell others about the good news...it is a shame that it is done poorly to where it is a burden or pain to some and they get turned off. Merry Christmas everyone!

When I say 'you', I mean everybody not just you personally.
You should be spreading the good news because you want to, not because you are commanded to. If the Chiefs started selling all of the remaining available tickets for $5, you would make a post on here and spread the good news because you wanted to, not because Carl Peterson said that you had to if you wanted to be considered a true fan. And if you did go door to door you wouldn't be telling everybody that they were going to have a horrible afternoon of boredom, lest you buy a ticket to the game.

The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

I go to and am involved in a great church. When my aunt invited us to come the first time I did not want to give up football tailgating, did not want to give up all of time needed to be involved in church, and was not interested in hanging out with a bunch of hollier than thou Jesus people. What I found was a group of people like me, just regular people that watch sports and play FFL. I am not a preacher and will not attempt to preach the Gospel, but I will invite people to my church because it is possible that they will enjoy it as much as I do.

That being said, if you would like to hear a Classical Christmas Concert with a full orchestra free of charge, we are having one this Sunday at 10:15 and 7pm. I can promise you that nobody will try to save your soul and they specify that visitors and guests are NOT to put any money in the offering plate. You will also have the chance to see a fellow fat, white, Chief's Planeteer sing a solo in Nigerian.

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by frazod

I couldn't agree more.

Do NOT fuck WITH ME at my house. That is my haven from the world and I will react poorly to any violation of that. I don't bother other people - they shouldn't bother me.

I don't knock on a lot of doors, but I am glad you weren't behind the few that I have knocked on!

A couple of years ago Time magazine took a poll, and it said that 20% of non-church goers would have gone to church on Easter Sunday if somebody would have invited them. We have a nice Easter service, and our pastor challenged us to invite 20 people to church by giving them a professionally printed invitation. I was reluctant to participate, but we took some baggies, filled them up with Easter candy and put an invitation in them. I am 6'1", 250 with facial hair and tatoos so I was afraid that some people would be afraid to open their doors so I took my kids with me. We knocked on 20 doors, told them that we go to a great church and invited them to come on Easter Sunday, and walked away. At least half of them continued the converstation by asking where our church was or by thanking us for the candy. Only one guy appeared not to be pleased by the disturbance, but I think the candy made up for it.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by KC Kings

When I say 'you', I mean everybody not just you personally.
You should be spreading the good news because you want to, not because you are commanded to. If the Chiefs started selling all of the remaining available tickets for $5, you would make a post on here and spread the good news because you wanted to, not because Carl Peterson said that you had to if you wanted to be considered a true fan. And if you did go door to door you wouldn't be telling everybody that they were going to have a horrible afternoon of boredom, lest you buy a ticket to the game.

The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

I go to and am involved in a great church. When my aunt invited us to come the first time I did not want to give up football tailgating, did not want to give up all of time needed to be involved in church, and was not interested in hanging out with a bunch of hollier than thou Jesus people. What I found was a group of people like me, just regular people that watch sports and play FFL. I am not a preacher and will not attempt to preach the Gospel, but I will invite people to my church because it is possible that they will enjoy it as much as I do.

That being said, if you would like to hear a Classical Christmas Concert with a full orchestra free of charge, we are having one this Sunday at 10:15 and 7pm. I can promise you that nobody will try to save your soul and they specify that visitors and guests are NOT to put any money in the offering plate. You will also have the chance to see a fellow fat, white, Chief's Planeteer sing a solo in Nigerian.

Amen, only God can do that anyway, we merely are to plant the seeds and water the crop, and bring in the harvest.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Everyone has freedom from religion...or even Christ himself.

That's why it's called faith.

Anyone here think they can show or prove how much they love their kids?

Define "love".

[HonestChieffan]

By virtue of the fact you would defend an animal that has no value other than killing, maiming, and being destructive, you have no credibility on almost any subject you would approach.

[ZepSinger]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

I go to Church almost every Sunday. Get off my porch.


(Just kidding, I don't have a porch, and it doesn't bother me that much. Still, I would say it's unnessary and hurts "the cause")

I'm with ya on this one, dude. Unless it's Jessica Alba handing out $1000 bills, they're getting a face full of door slivers.


Hey, if you're sick, you go to the doctor. If and when a person feels that got something wrong with them spiritually, I trust they'd know how to at least get to someone who could point them in the right direction.

Z

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

By virtue of the fact you would defend an animal that has no value other than killing, maiming, and being destructive, you have no credibility on almost any subject you would approach.

Why are you trying to bring Bill Romanowski into a religious discussion?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Why are you trying to bring Bill Romanowski into a religious discussion?

Some people just shouldn't post.