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Old 02-11-2018, 09:51 AM  
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Would you trade Justin houston and our 2nd
To the Browns for #4. Houstons cap savings would be 20 mil.
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:08 PM   #106
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Pretty good read further explaining why this would be a terrible move

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...dea-by-chiefs/
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Old 02-13-2018, 02:12 PM   #107
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Pretty good read further explaining why this would be a terrible move

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...dea-by-chiefs/
That article was more about cutting Houston. The bottom of the article says that trading Houston would be better but only for a good offer. This thread is about trading Houston for a great offer.

Houston is not going anywhere but that article doesn't really apply.
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Old 02-13-2018, 02:49 PM   #108
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Pretty good read further explaining why this would be a terrible move

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...dea-by-chiefs/
That article was based on cutting Houston outright....which WOULD be stupid.

Houston is the 2nd highest paid OLB in 2018 ($20,600,000)...to put this in perspective, the 3rd highest, Chandler Jones, cost $5 million less ($15,500,000) and #4 (Ingram) is almost $7,000,000 less.

Houston has been a terrible return on KC's investment but still a very good player. He's getting paid like a generational talent and isn't. His salary is way out of proportion vs. his production on the field. He should be in the $13 million dollar range.
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Old 02-13-2018, 02:54 PM   #109
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Houston is going to have a big year next year. Improved secondary, more speed on the field and more chances for him to actually rush the passer.

Plus next year is basically a contract year for him. Those seasons are undefeated.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:54 PM   #110
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This thread proves what I always thought, Hogguy's IQ is just a bit higher than his shoe size but not by much.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:59 PM   #111
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This thread proves what I always thought, Hogguy's IQ is just a bit higher than his shoe size but not by much.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:57 AM   #112
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Heh, was just listening to Sirius and they brought this up saying if someone came along interested in Justin Houston the Chiefs would certainly listen.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:42 AM   #113
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I doubt we would get #4 in this scenario, but it would be fun having the pick before the broncos if they somehow miss out on Cousins. Could get a decent haul to trade down in the first if the right guys were still available at #4.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:49 AM   #114
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trade Houston and our 2nd for a 1st; and draft Vontae Mack.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:30 PM   #115
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I think a lot of you around here are way off on Houston. He hasn't been as bad as some some of you act.

I have really strong feeling that he's going to be an absolute terror in 2018 once he is 100%, mentally.

I feel like Houston and Berry feed off of each other too.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:27 PM   #116
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Wait, so trading Houston doesn't unload the full 20m of his contract? Obviously cutting him would incur a cap hit. Can someone explain why a trade wouldn't?
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:33 PM   #117
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Wait, so trading Houston doesn't unload the full 20m of his contract? Obviously cutting him would incur a cap hit. Can someone explain why a trade wouldn't?
Yeah, that don't make sense. If you trade a player you're trading the contract with them is what I understand.

I still think it would be great to get the #4 if Denver hasn't signed a QB in FA go ahead and get the best QB on the board and trade him to someone else and grab a bunch of picks. ****ing Denver over like that would be awesome.
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Old 02-15-2018, 03:59 PM   #118
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Trading a player trades away his base salaries and incentives not earned yet.

The trading team is still on the hook for the prorated portion of what’s already been paid out.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:02 PM   #119
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Trading a player trades away his base salaries and incentives not earned yet.

The trading team is still on the hook for the prorated portion of what’s already been paid out.
So Hog and I had it right...
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:33 PM   #120
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Trading a player trades away his base salaries and incentives not earned yet.

The trading team is still on the hook for the prorated portion of what’s already been paid out.
Yup...most of that is the pro rated signing bonus that is spread out over the term of the deal.
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