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Old 09-02-2006, 09:43 AM  
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Lions release Rogers
LIONS RELEASE ROGERS

The Detroit Lions have parted ways with receiver Charles Rogers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2003 draft.

Rogers missed most of his first two seasons due to broken collar bones, and was ineffective in 2004, during which he was suspended four games for violation of the league's substance abuse policy. After the suspension, the team filed a grievance against Rogers for recovery of bonus money. The grievance is still pending.

Prior to the 2003 draft, there were reports that Rogers had generated a positive drug test due to a diluted urine sample. The news didn't deter the Lions and team president Matt Millen.

Other cuts include veteran running back Artose Pinner, linebacker James Davis, and rookie sixth-round CB Dee McCann.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #121
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I like how everyone was pissed off that Vermiel wouldn't add players after camp started......then a guy gets cut and they turn into Vermiel and don't want anyone.

So uh guys make up your mind.
Nice false choice. Just because I don't want your favorite lazy walking-wounded pothead, doesn't mean I'm averse to actually bringing in a player with talent.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #122
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Off the top of my head, here are some "bad apples" that helped their new team win a championship: Corey Dillon, Keyshawn Johnson, Simeon Rice.
That is painfully bad analysis. Corey Dillon was a pro-bowler, for chrissake, as was Keyshawn Johnson. None of them were potheads, and none of them missed entire seasons due to chronic injury. Try again.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #123
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I also like how some bring up the excuse "he was injured"

If that's the case, then why haven't we seen Sylvester Morris in a Chiefs uniform lately?
Blowing out your knee and not being able to run anymore is a little different than breaking your collarbone.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #124
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I like how everyone was pissed off that Vermiel wouldn't add players after camp started......then a guy gets cut and they turn into Vermiel and don't want anyone.

So uh guys make up your mind.
You're totally missing the point.

It's not that anyone doesn't want to upgrade players. It's that people don't think that an injury-prone pothead bust is an upgrade.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #125
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I remember alot of people thinking he was "ok" but nothing like they thought of him after he went to Tampa and become a great player.
If 50+ sacks in 5 years is a bust, I hope Tamba Hali is a massive bust. I don't really care what people "think", that's not a bust.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:38 PM   #126
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People around here would rather have Chris Horn than Charles Rogers, that's just how fans are. We'd rather have hard working never will be white boy than the all world talent that needs some work cause he has some problems. I don't agree with that philosphy but I see it on here constantly.
Chris Horn has better career stats than Charles Rogers, plays special teams, and isn't a reefer.

Yes, I would rather him than Rogers. I guess I'm and idiot
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:38 PM   #127
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Off the top of my head, here are some "bad apples" that helped their new team win a championship: Corey Dillon, Keyshawn Johnson, Simeon Rice.
IIRC,

The Patriots had won the SB the year before Dillon. They won 2 more just because of his presence? Doubtful. They were a great TEAM, with and without him.

The Bucs were in the NFC title game the year before Key, Rice.

You're speaking of teams that were playoff/SB contenders every year.

The Chiefs do not fall into that category.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:39 PM   #128
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Chris Horn has better career stats than Charles Rogers, plays special teams, and isn't a reefer.

Yes, I would rather him than Rogers. I guess I'm and idiot
Well atleast you know........I guess people don't like talent around here. Like I said before if we were set at WR I wouldn't be for this but we need help at the position.
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:40 PM   #129
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Well atleast you know........I guess people don't like talent around here. Like I said before if we were set at WR I wouldn't be for this but we need help at the position.
Of course. Charles Rogers has shown so much talent at the NFL level. How could we ever have doubted him?

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I'm all for bringing the guy in for a workout, I don't think it could hurt.

But, I think some of these guys are making the point not that he's a bad apple, but he's not been productive.
IMO, that argument is sillier than the argument that he is a bad apple.

I will be the first to say that his NFL career thus far has been a huge disappointment. But the guy was an absolute monster in college and I simply don't believe all his talent has just disappeared. He has elite size, elite speed, elite hands....physically he's everything you look for in a top shelf WR. Who knows if he can ever put it all together and become a great WR, but what do we have to lose signing him to a one year deal?
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Well atleast you know........I guess people don't like talent around here. Like I said before if we were set at WR I wouldn't be for this but we need help at the position.
You keep saying Rogers has talent.

Where is it? Is it hiding? Can Herm Edwards be the guy to find that talent?
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That's the thing we have 0 to lose in signing him yet some people don't want him anyway. That would be like someone handing you a bunch of free lottery tickets and you going "I don't want them pieces of shit won't get anything anyway"
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You keep saying Rogers has talent.

Where is it? Is it hiding? Can Herm Edwards be the guy to find that talent?
He was taken second overall, what more do you want?
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Old 09-02-2006, 02:42 PM   #134
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That's the thing we have 0 to lose in signing him yet some people don't want him anyway. That would be like someone handing you a bunch of free lottery tickets and you going "I don't want them pieces of shit won't get anything anyway"
Free? Rogers is going to play for free? Hell, bring him on.
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IMO, that argument is sillier than the argument that he is a bad apple.

I will be the first to say that his NFL career thus far has been a huge disappointment. But the guy was an absolute monster in college and I simply don't believe all his talent has just disappeared. He has elite size, elite speed, elite hands....physically he's everything you look for in a top shelf WR. Who knows if he can ever put it all together and become a great WR, but what do we have to lose signing him to a one year deal?
Ryan Leaf had all those crazy physical skills too. That is far from a silly argument. There's a lot more to playing football than having great physical skills. I said I'm all for bringing him in for a workout to see what he looks like, I don't know what more you could ask for. I don't think we should blindly sign him, but he's worth a look. Doesn't mean he'll amount to anything, but there's a big difference from "can't hurt" to "championship move".
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