I am a GOOD American

I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

Originally posted by Michael Michigan
TJ-

Nice try---exposed as a fraud, no diploma, no office, no kids, and no wife.

Wrong again.

[LapDog]

Taco John-

I've mostly been staying on the sidelines, and I hate to throw fuel on this dying fire, but there are a couple of things that are bothering me and I feel compelled to say them. Just so you know where I stand, I mostly don't agree with your perspective. AT THE SAME TIME, I recognize you as somebody who contributes to our society. Likewise, I recognize, and to some extent, identify with Frazod's perspective. I haven't lived it on a day-to-day basis, so I don't feel as strongly about it, but I definitely understand his point of view.

(Some of my commentary is in parentheses. I would usually refrain from these sorts of comments, but I assume that if you can dish it, you can take it.)

1) The primary thing that bothers me is you keep calling Fraz a racist. Fraz would be every bit as frustrated if it was Germany, Russia, or even Sweden we were dealing with. His issue is NOT with the Mexican race (if there is such a thing). If a bunch of people named Sven and Olga were crossing the border, working in our fast food restaurants, speaking only Swedish, putting 'art' on our buildings, forming gangs, stealing, killing, selling drugs, and overburdening our welfare system, he would be railing against the situation just as passionately as he has been on this thread. Many Americans would be saying, "Those damned Swedes are taking over our country. We need to protect the border and deport them.". The difference would be that you wouldn't have the ability to call Fraz or anybody else a racist. You'd have to acknowledge the merits of the argument instead. It sounds to me like you are stereotyping Fraz and others as ignorant Caucasian Americans who've never been outside the country and speak only English. Who's the racist? Hypocrite. ("You anti-Caucasian, racist jerk.")

2) By so frequently referring to Fraz as a racist, you sound just like Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP. Do you really want to resort to their unethical tactics simply because it's effective? On the one hand, you pretend as if you are on the high road; as if you are defending your position reasonably and rationally. At the same time, you falsely accuse Fraz of racism, to put his character on lower moral ground, as if you expect him to maintain your high standards in the discussion. This call for a higher standard is in spite of the fact you yourself are on shaky ground and Frazod isn't. Why do you feel the need to resort to demagoguery? Apparently your arguments are weak, or you are too stupid to legitimately defend them. Either way, you are again a hypocrite. ("You ignorant, communist piece of garbage.")

3) Some time ago, you and several posters were discussing the when in America, speak as Americans do attitude. Your stance seemed to be that we midwestern white Americans are intolerant morons who are certainly unwilling and probably unable to learn a second language. At the same time, you were defending the Mexican nationals who are illegally crossing our border. You were defending non-English speaking criminals; criminals that speak only Spanish. Why do you expect Americans in the Midwest, who generally have no use for a second language, to learn Spanish? Why don't you, in a similar fashion, expect the Mexican criminals crossing our border to learn English? They certainly have more need of English than we do of Spanish. You can't have it both ways. I'm guessing that by now you already realize what I'm going to say. At least you're a smart hypocrite. ("You hate-filled, racist prick!")

4) You're really having a hard time with this hypocrisy thing. I'd stop here, but I'm really beginning to believe that you deserve to be raked over the coals. (To use your colloquialism, "*****-slapped"). I had no problems with your original post. I didn't entirely agree with it, but it had some valid points and you have the right to state your opinion. However, your subsequent posting has revealed who you really are.

Here's a simple one. Early on you stated, "I'm going to instantly jump to the conclusion that you are a racist". Then, you responded to another poster with, "You can twist my words to fit your narrow view". Let's see, twisting dozens of statements to support belief that Fraz is a racist, instantly jumping to racist conclusion based on a negative stereotype of white Caucasians... that sounds narrow-minded to me. Maybe you're not such a smart hypocrite, after all. But you're definitely a hypocrite. ("You could always follow Hitler's lead and just put all us narrow-minded rednecks in the gas chambers. Even though you're only half Mexican, you'd probably be safe by trying to pass yourself off as a full-blooded member of your master race.")

5) A recurring theme of hate runs throughout your commentary. Here's a list of quotes from your various posts.

First, you referred to several posters as:

• "whiny people America has passed by"

Not too bad. But later, in reference to Michael Michigan, you said:

• "If you would have paid attention in school"
• "****ing idiot. No"

The school comment doesn't really imply hate, but combine it with the rest, and it is obviously stated with a hateful tone. Finally, you called Frazod all sorts of things:

• "You are a racist piece of garbage"
• "Your ancestors immigrated here too you ignorant *******."
• "I'm going to instantly jump to the conclusion that you are a racist"
• "you could go on a Hitleresqe spree"
• "put them in gas chambers for the benefit of the master race"
• "you have nothing to offer but hate"
• "You and your fascist attitude"
• "for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum" (sic)
• "Give me solutions, not racist mumbo jumbo."
• "It's because you are a flat out racist"
• "I wish that you would stop being so racist"
• "Tell that to the Native Americans you ignorant a55hole"
• "Racist jerk. By the way, I'm an American."
• "I am hellbent on making it tough for rascist to exist" (sic)
• "It is going to get harder and harder for people like you to exist" (indirect reference to racists)
• "core beliefs like your race is the master race"
• "But your other posts snips it all back into the context that you hate Mexicans"
• "so racist pricks like you can enjoy hating them for it."

Referring to your comments above, I count:

• 8 accusations of racism (the 'people like you' comment goes here)
• 3 accusations of hate
• 3 comparisons to Hitler
• 3 'a55hole' vulgarites
• 2 accusations of fascism
• 2 'ignorant' labels
• 1 'garbage'
• 1 'whiny'
• 1 'idiot'
• 1 '****ing' vulgarity
• 1 'jerk'
• 1 'prick' vulgarity

That's a total of about seventeen instances of name-calling, several indirect accusations of being a genocidal murderer, and five or six derogatory descriptive adjectives. Your posts are filled with such vile hatred and name calling, ("motivated by racism"), that I don't think I can take your accusations of hatred and racism seriously. Surely you know that people who see nothing but racism, hatred, and violence are usually filled with nothing but hatred, fear, and violence. Can you honestly expect to maintain that sort of behavior and still expect anyone to take you seriously? Especially in regards to your comments toward Frazod? Can't you see your own hate? Look in the mirror. Why is it that hypocrites never look in the mirror? ("You ****ing hate-mongering racist a55hole.")

6) I'm sure by now you realize that you're only standing on three legs, but I have to make one last point for posterity's sake. You've really made it a habit to attack people in this thread. In particular, unfounded accusations of racism and childish name-calling seem to run rampant in your thought processes. If you take the time to count, you will find that you've made twenty posts on this thread. Ten of those posts contain personal attacks. That's half of your posts, Taco. Again, you seem to be reverting to unethical tactics, just to help you win the day. Are you so afraid of the weaknesses in your argument that you aren't willing to play on a level field?

To quote you yet again, "All I ask for is ONE point. Not just a bunch of personal attacks that amount to zilch." Really!? Are you serious!?! I can't believe any ("****ing ignorant idiot") would say something like that when they have such an obvious tendency to resort to name-calling and demagoguery! Such hideous hypocrisy! Life must be hard for you, walking with so much shame. Know thyself, hypocrite!

If it isn't clear to you by now, hypocrite, let me summarize. You've been discredited. You've disgraced yourself. Now why don't you tuck your tail between your legs and go spend some time with some of your ("racist Nazi") friends?

("B*TCH!")

LapDog

[47mack]

LapDog

You have way too much time. Go to sleep sometime today.

[Clint in Wichita]

Why don't you women discuss something other than the old "My Party is Better than Your Party" debate.

None of you are exactly ringing endorsements for your lifestyle.

Maybe I'll become Jewish...I'd rather burn in Hell than spend all eternity in Heaven with some of you "Christians".

Originally posted by 47mack
LapDog

You have way too much time. Go to sleep sometime today.

No kidding. Frazod's lap dog has way too much time on his hands.

I don't know where to begin with the post, so I won't bother too much. You can think what you want. I don't much care really. Anyone with a moderate to liberal viewpoint is intantly discredited in your eyes, so it's not much use even trying.

Again, Frazod continually looks at the people as the problem, and focused his answers toward the people, particularly Mexicans. His idea that America should be shooting mexicans at the border more than warranted being called a rascist... In fact, it sort of tears down most of your points Lapdog. I noticed you didn't include that in your wrap-up.

There are pockets in America where people still speak their native language. Entire communites in Nebraska speak Czech. You might have a hard time understanding them, because few of them are very accomplished English speakers, though they try. Nobody is complaining about them... Or the quakers.

Just about every Sunday, some white people come to my door trying to change my way of life with this watchtower stuff. I don't want to shoot them to keep them out of my yard.

I could go on and one, but then I might look sorry and desperate like Frazond's lap dog just did. I don't really want to even try to summarize an entire argument in one post. What a waste of time.

[HC_Chief]

Taco John is not a 'good American' - he's a whiny donkey biatch trying to start trouble. If you do not follow his beliefs, if you do not agree with what he professes, you are obviously a neo-nazi racist who wants to clear-cut the world, rape and pillage indigenous peoples, and eat babies.

Typical far-left whacko - you would be best served ignoring the 2-brain celled fool.

8 accusations of racism (the 'people like you' comment goes here)

3 accusations of hate

3 comparisons to Hitler

3 'a55hole' vulgarites

2 accusations of fascism

2 'ignorant' labels

1 'garbage'

1 'whiny'

1 'idiot'

1 '****ing' vulgarity

1 'jerk'

1 'prick' vulgarity

Predictable little leftist troll.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

(thanks to lapdog for the calculations)

[LapDog]

Taco John -

So now you resort to calling ME names and attempting to make me look like a foolish lackey. How predictable.

I didn't include Frazod's arguments because my purpose was solely to attack you. You were attacking him and others indiscriminately and without compunction. You were using tactics intentionally designed to put him on the defensive and taking advantage of his current level of frustration.

And you are intentionally twisting Frazod's intent by implying he would have Mexicans shot. Even in his very first post, it was obvious he was speaking rhetorically. You simply used it as a scapegoat to allow you to call him a racist. I doubt you'd be doing that if you didn't have a at least a little bigotry toward conservative white males.

As for why I'm "wasting my time", nobody else on this thread was revealing you for who you are. They weren't showing the world your tactics for what they are. I'm sure some were too polite to stoop to your level, unwilling to sully themselves to such an extent. I doubt you realized yourself how offensive you were being until it was directed toward you.

Additionally, I'm tired of people, usually liberal-minded people, of accusing calm, fair, and rational people of racism. I'm tired of decent people being victimized and branded by selfish, subsersive people who will do anything to achieve their objective, for good or ill, without regard for the overall impact it will have on our country and our citizens.

Most Americans don't see through the racism bull****, but I do. Since I had the time, and I feel strongly about those who label people racist, and because I HATE hypocrisy, I took it upon myself to set the record straight. Hopefully I've helped a few people recognize that the frequent practice of labelling people racists is nothing but a deplorable and despicable tactic.

And, for what it's worth, the first time I read your original post, the only thing I really disagreed with was the whole Supreme Court, vote-counting thing. Everything else made good sense. Of course I wouldn't be as cheerful as you in supporting the lazy or under-educated citizens.

I have no problem with moderates. I consider myself one. I don't really have a problem with liberals, provided they have justified and reasoned opinions. oleman47 is a good example. I don't agree with him, but at least his arguments and perspective are internally consistent.

The problem is that most liberals behave like you have been. And they tend to hold their beliefs due to a "what's in it for me" mentality. You don't seem to fit my stereotypical liberal and I suspect your opinions are fairly well founded. But, in this thread, you let yourself degenerate into something less than who you are.

LapDog

Look. Say what you want about my "tactics" but when you start talking about shooting mexicans, I'm going to get in your face about it. To you they might be just greasy mexicans who are here to take my job, and eat my food, and change my way of life, and they might as well be dead (apparently).

To me they are grandparents, cousins, nephews, and people with names and faces trying to make a better life for themselves. Yes, I believe everybody is entitled to a better life. Should they necessarily get it here? Perhaps not. But there seems to be plenty of opportunity here, or else they wouldn't be here, would they?

SO GET OUT OF MY FACE IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL SOMEONE RATIONAL WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING PEOPLE TO PROTECT HIS WAY OF LIFE!

It's ridiculous!

And HC, you want to talk about being Vulgar, lets not forget your classic comment:

"The only 'smacking' going on is my penis hitting your wife's cheek. She so enjoys being humiliated...

-HC Chief

That's real vulgarities...

If anyone cares to witness HC getting beat down, here's a link:

http://talk.denverpost.com/webx/cgi-...76.1lgFa3NGfb4^[email protected]

In fact, you can thank him for this thread as well.

[HC_Chief]

Spam on, Taco! It's what you do best (that, and calling people racist or nazi or facist)

Face it - you're a predictable leftist troll. I call you out - and it really pisses you off. Transparent you are...

[LapDog]

Neither I, nor Frazod, nor anybody else wants to see your family or friends get shot. It simply isn't there.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that I thought Frazod was being rational. Clearly he wasn't. I was speaking generally when I said "calm, fair, and rational". My bad. But I do think he's decent. I also think he would have been calm and rational if you hadn't been provoking him.

And now you think I'm a racist. Does anybody see a pattern here?

Alright. I'll step down now because I feel I've made my point.

LapDog

[HC_Chief]

If anyone cares to witness HC getting beat down, here's a link:

LOL - getting 'beat down' eh? So says you, Buttster and LASpammer (great company!)

FYI, LASpammer likes to post swastikas and 'funny' derogatory pictures of George Bush in SS unis and giving a nice little sieg heil. cute stuff (and this guy is supposed to be a liberal?)

Buttster posts things about how Derrick Thomas was a scumbag. He actually cheered his death with "ding dong the witch is dead..." Calls him a murderer...

You fit in nicely with this group of characters Taco.

[LapDog]

HC-

Calling people murderers and Nazis. It sounds like I'm giving Taco too much credit. Maybe he deserves the 'Liberal' stereotype. Do these guys do anything with dignity?

I can only imagine what they would do if Conservatives (besides Rush Limbaugh) resorted to such foolishness.

[HC_Chief]

lap - hehe, no doubt. What I really love is when these guys bunch everyone and anyone who holds a dissimilar viewpoint into one category: conservative. They then proceed to denounce 'conservatives' as greedy, racist, hate-mongering facist nazis with a contempt for all that is good and lovely.

Shallow, incapable of expanded thought, bereft of contemplative reasoning - they try to paint others with fell swoops, but end up regurgitating the same 'ol.

Predictable...

BTW TJ, you just got 'beat down'

[LapDog]

HC,

LOL... you're funny.

LapD