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Old 02-28-2009, 01:32 PM  
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We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down.

I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong.

Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:28 PM   #121
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Exactly. It's like no one on this board understands the concept of nuance.

Hey, I'm down with you; I just went from being excited about the season to 'meh' in the space of one sleep cycle!
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:30 PM   #122
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Lets be real. How many teams really have a Franschise QB. Not a whole lot. Maybe 6-7 teams. Out of the available QB's do you honestly think we could have gotten anything better. Picking a QB at number 3 is way to risky with the guys in the draft. This years draft is poor in QB's. In a normal year stafford and sanchez would probably only be the 4-5 best QB in the draft.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:30 PM   #123
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Based on value alone, good deal.

Based on the fact that I seriously doubt we ever sniff a Super Bowl with Cassel, bad.

Since winning the Super Bowl is all that matters, I voted bad.

I hope like hell I'm proven wrong.
And I think you're basing that on a scouting analysis that happened years ago when no scout had good enough information to put a realistic draft grade on him. And I think part of that is due to the fact that he doesn't have the physical ability that Sanchez or Stafford have.

But the draft grade is irrelevant because Pioli has 5 years of in-practice and in-game data to evaluate, so who cares what scouts thought of him? As for the second point, why are so many people obsessed with physical ability? The word on the street is that Cassel followed Brady everywhere and that's great, given that Brady is a workhorse. Cassel became a film room freak and a very hard worker on the field and in the weight room.

I like Cassel's upside because I have always believed that most QBs don't reach their potential because they don't work hard enough to improve. That's not a problem with Cassel. I would argue that his dedication to his game gives him considerable upside.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:32 PM   #124
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Lets be real. How many teams really have a Franschise QB. Not a whole lot. Maybe 6-7 teams. Out of the available QB's do you honestly think we could have gotten anything better. Picking a QB at number 3 is way to risky with the guys in the draft. This years draft is poor in QB's. In a normal year stafford and sanchez would probably only be the 4-5 best QB in the draft.
Same shit, different day.

Stafford is the best QB prospect in a half decade.

Risk averse.

Typical penny-wise pound-foolish Chief fans.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:33 PM   #125
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whats the difference? Cassel is as big a mystery as Sanchez, Stafford, Curry, and who ever else you think of next. Only thing Cassel has on any of these guys is he played against NFL talent and helped an NFL team to 11-5.

You'd could argue the 2004 draft had the right idea being debated here. Eli and Ben. How many drafts before was there 2 top pick QBs in the same draft and both had won a SB within 4 years?

Its a big gamble with these two QB's in the draft just as it is with Cassel. Saying Sanchez/Stafford are more QB'sOTF is just as reckless as saying Cassel is the QBOTF.

If the Chiefs were to spend 3rd overall pick money to a prospect why is it not better to pay less on a proven winning NFL QB and still have a 3rd overall?
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There really is not any risk at all comparatively speaking. But I want to win a SB and I don't think Cassel can get it done outside of a Trent Dilfer style role.
I wouldn't go that far but I'd agree that he's not a legit QBOTF.

And forget even his production or the value, this staff thinks he is. That means they'll go on building a team around him as if he's a lock. Adding offensive weapons and concentrating on a line to protect him.

And yes, I think much more than Herm would have. I still think we go offense with 2 of three first day picks (taking into account a trade up/down.)

If we do have to draft a QBOTF in 2 or 3 years I think the rest of the offense will be ready and waiting for him.
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If the Chiefs were to spend 3rd overall pick money to a prospect why is it not better to pay less on a proven winning NFL QB and still have a 3rd overall?
Because Sanchez/Stafford have significantly more upside than Cassel.

Those who are against the trade are against it for that reason. It's not that we overpaid for Matt Cassel. It's a fine trade for pick value. But if we pass up one of those two, especially Stafford, it's going to haunt us for a long, long time.
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Because Sanchez/Stafford have significantly more upside than Cassel.

Those who are against the trade are against it for that reason. It's not that we overpaid for Matt Cassel. It's a fine trade for pick value. But if we pass up one of those two, especially Stafford, it's going to haunt us for a long, long time.
would you explain why stafford and sanchez have more upside than cassel?
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Because Sanchez/Stafford have significantly more upside than Cassel.

Those who are against the trade are against it for that reason. It's not that we overpaid for Matt Cassel. It's a fine trade for pick value. But if we pass up one of those two, especially Stafford, it's going to haunt us for a long, long time.
I agree that Stafford does, but also view him as boom or bust. I think Sanchez will be a mediocre NFL QB, a la Joey Harrington.
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Because Sanchez/Stafford have significantly more upside than Cassel.
I don't think that argument holds much weight now considering 2 out of the 3 top teams at the top of the draft wanted Cassel over Stafford or Sanchez. There must be some consensus that both of the those QB's have serious question marks and are not locks to be franchise QB's.
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would you explain why stafford and sanchez have more upside than cassel?
No. If you're too lazy to look it up, I'm not doing it for you. It's been posted 100s of times.
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would you explain why stafford and sanchez have more upside than cassel?
Your jokeing right?
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Great trade to get us started. Will he be a true franchise guy? Who knows but hes better than anything we have or could get in this draft.
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I don't think that argument holds much weight now considering 2 out of the 3 top teams at the top of the draft wanted Cassel over Stafford or Sanchez. There must be some consensus that both of the those QB's have serious question marks and are not locks to be franchise QB's.
One is the worst run franchise in professional sports, and the other is from a franchise whose GM is from a clique more insular than the mother****ing Skull & Bones.
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Your jokeing right?
NO. Stafford may have a slight more upside than Cassel but not Sanchez. I just want to know why you think Stafford and Sanchez make more sense?
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