Congratz Dorsey, you suck.

[Mr. Laz]

You inherited a team that was a decent HC and QB away from being a playoff level team.

Reid arrived, wanted his QB and we made the playoffs.

It's been downhill ever since.

FA Losses: T Branden Albert, G Jon Asamoah, S Quintin Demps, DE Tyson Jackson, ILB Akeem Jordan, RB/WR Dexter McCluster, DT Jerrell Powe, G Geoff Schwartz, FS Kendrick Lewis.

We missed Albert at LT. Even though Fisher's play improved today, we still have no OT depth and were shredded at RT.

We missed Asamoah and Schwartz at guard. They might not be great but they are better than the scrubs you added off the street.

We missed McCluster in the slot, we had nothing but Avery today.

We missed Tyson Jackson, run defense along Dline was terrible.

You even made us miss Kendrick Lewis and Quentin Demps. Lewis was dog crap, but he's better than the nothing we have at backup safety now.

We missed Flowers whom you cut for money and didn't add anyone

We missed average Succop whom you cut for money.

You acted like it didn't matter who we lost because Reid/Smith were like Belichek /Brady and they would just find some way to win. They aren't.

Your drafts have been borderline terrible.



A steaming pile of shit is what you've built.

Congratz on your pending run to the 1st pick of the draft next year.

Oh, something else ...... **** you.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

You don't need a 'star' anything on the OL.



Did absolutely nothing for the Chiefs 10 years ago.

Dude still sucks though. If that's the case, why in the **** would you draft Oline in round one?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Find a solid LG and you'll see vast improvement from Fisher.

As great as Roaf was, even he had a pretty damn good LG playing next to him.

Bulk him up. He has got to improve his on field intelligence and it's never going to live up to the number one pick, but silly for anyone to think he can't improve by a lot. Year 3, we'll know for sure what we have. I doubt he will come close to a pro bowl player, but good enough starter is absolutely possible.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Dude still sucks though. If that's the case, why in the **** would you draft Oline in round one?

I'm not defending the pick, I'm defending the player because we need him to be much better than what he is.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

I'm not defending the pick, I'm defending the player because we need him to be much better than what he is.

Then we should all send him vials of test and growth hormone for Christmas.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

You don't need a 'star' anything on the OL.

Did absolutely nothing for the Chiefs 10 years ago.

That's the worst rationalization. You don't need a star pass rusher because having DT, Neil Smith, Hali, Allen and Houston did nothing for the Chiefs. You don't need a star HB because Charles, Holmes and Allen did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a star DB because Collins, Berry, Cherry did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a top 3 offense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Vermeil's years. Don't need a top defense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Marty's years.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That's the worst rationalization. You don't need a star pass rusher because having DT, Neil Smith, Hali, Allen and Houston did nothing for the Chiefs. You don't need a star HB because Charles, Holmes and Allen did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a star DB because Collins, Berry, Cherry did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a top 3 offense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Vermeil's years. Don't need a top defense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Marty's years.

WTF are you talking about? I said OL.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

You don't need a 'star' anything on the OL.

Did absolutely nothing for the Chiefs 10 years ago.

To clarify...

This was more of a shot at Peterson and Vermiel for not improving the D than anything else.

[Wallcrawler]

It starts with playcalling. Reid said he's the one calling the plays, so someone needs to yank those duties from him if he cannot commit to getting our best player the football.

Now, you must have an O-line to do anything on offense. You cant just say that the Chiefs had the best line in football for years and it did nothing. It was the driving force behind the most powerful offense in Chiefs history.

As for Roaf, he was a ****ing monstrous beast of a left tackle. I remember him going out for a few games with a hamstring and our offense literally crumbled. I don't care how good that "pretty good LG" in Brian Waters was, when Roaf left the lineup, that offense was pathetic. Ive NEVER seen such a huge drop in production because of the loss of one player up front. Roaf was amazing.

This line is the worst Ive seen in the entire time Ive been watching the Chiefs. QB under intense pressure at his second step of a dropback, backs being met 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage, blitzers running absolutely free and untouched regularly, I mean this is a ****ing disaster.

O-line is never popular with people watching the draft, but if you think that KC can just ignore the O-line with those 11 picks, then you're dead wrong. Wide receiver definitely needs to be addressed, and then O-line. Our guards are the worst in football.

Maybe getting Jeff Allen back after the bicep injury can alleviate some of that, but we've got to get guys in here that can play. Fisher is staying because of the price we paid in that 1st overall pick. Every effort must be exhausted to get this guy serviceable. Hudson absolutely must be retained as he's the best offensive lineman we have.


At this point, Im good with blowing up the team. I really wanted Tamba to stay, but he's lost more than a step. Watching him sprint after Manning, the slowest QB in the league, and not be able to get to him cast a spotlight on a very ugly truth that Tamba just isn't what he used to be. Cant pay that huge number for a guy that gets outrun on a rollout by a quarterback on the doorstep of 40 years old.

Houston's good, but he's not JJ Watt money good. One sack against the biggest rival we have? Pay him for his pass rushing talent, sure. But don't pay him like he's the total package. Hell, Eric Hicks got 14 sacks in 13 games one year. Doesn't mean we should've dropped 100 mil in his ****ing lap.

This team is so far from where it needs to be right now that its really quite sobering. Winning masks a lot of shit. There needs to be changes from the top down. Coaches AND players.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

It starts with playcalling. Reid said he's the one calling the plays, so someone needs to yank those duties from him if he cannot commit to getting our best player the football.

Now, you must have an O-line to do anything on offense. You cant just say that the Chiefs had the best line in football for years and it did nothing. It was the driving force behind the most powerful offense in Chiefs history.

As for Roaf, he was a ****ing monstrous beast of a left tackle. I remember him going out for a few games with a hamstring and our offense literally crumbled. I don't care how good that "pretty good LG" in Brian Waters was, when Roaf left the lineup, that offense was pathetic. Ive NEVER seen such a huge drop in production because of the loss of one player up front. Roaf was amazing.

This line is the worst Ive seen in the entire time Ive been watching the Chiefs. QB under intense pressure at his second step of a dropback, backs being met 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage, blitzers running absolutely free and untouched regularly, I mean this is a ****ing disaster.

O-line is never popular with people watching the draft, but if you think that KC can just ignore the O-line with those 11 picks, then you're dead wrong. Wide receiver definitely needs to be addressed, and then O-line. Our guards are the worst in football.

Maybe getting Jeff Allen back after the bicep injury can alleviate some of that, but we've got to get guys in here that can play. Fisher is staying because of the price we paid in that 1st overall pick. Every effort must be exhausted to get this guy serviceable. Hudson absolutely must be retained as he's the best offensive lineman we have.


At this point, Im good with blowing up the team. I really wanted Tamba to stay, but he's lost more than a step. Watching him sprint after Manning, the slowest QB in the league, and not be able to get to him cast a spotlight on a very ugly truth that Tamba just isn't what he used to be. Cant pay that huge number for a guy that gets outrun on a rollout by a quarterback on the doorstep of 40 years old.

Houston's good, but he's not JJ Watt money good. One sack against the biggest rival we have? Pay him for his pass rushing talent, sure. But don't pay him like he's the total package. Hell, Eric Hicks got 14 sacks in 13 games one year. Doesn't mean we should've dropped 100 mil in his ****ing lap.

This team is so far from where it needs to be right now that its really quite sobering. Winning masks a lot of shit. There needs to be changes from the top down. Coaches AND players.

So far from where it needs to be?

Add two linemen, which good gms should be able to find on the cheap, and add a #1 receiver. Use the draft to find improvements everywhere else.

Lol at people who think we need to blow this team up. We have 11 draft picks next year and a lot of guys coming back from injury. I have a lot of fear about Reid and Smith being the guys to take us to the next level, but as long as they're our guys, it's ridiculous to suggest we should blow this thing up

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So far from where it needs to be?

Add two linemen, which good gms should be able to find on the cheap, and add a #1 receiver. Use the draft to find improvements everywhere else.

Lol at people who think we need to blow this team up. We have 11 draft picks next year and a lot of guys coming back from injury. I have a lot of fear about Reid and Smith being the guys to take us to the next level, but as long as they're our guys, it's ridiculous to suggest we should blow this thing up

Those 11 guys aren't going to make an impact for at least two seasons if they have any shred of talent.

Now is the time to blow the team up and play for the next four years.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Those 11 guys aren't going to make an impact for at least two seasons if they have any shred of talent.

Now is the time to blow the team up and play for the next four years.

DAT, gaines, knile Davis, kelce have made no impact on this team whatsoever. You're right. No rookie is going to make an impact.

The Chiefs will get dj and demetrius Harris back. If they don't get berry back, they'll have 8m or so to play around with. We will see next year what we have in commings and catapano. You'd hope Fisher and dee Ford improve. Those are organic improvements to guys we already have.

People forget that we basically blew up the team this year. But for some reason we are now bitching that this team isn't fully loaded.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

DAT, gaines, knile Davis, kelce have made no impact on this team whatsoever. You're right. No rookie is going to make an impact.

The Chiefs will get dj and demetrius Harris back. If they don't get berry back, they'll have 8m or so to play around with. We will see next year what we have in commings and catapano. You'd hope Fisher and dee Ford improve. Those are organic improvements to guys we already have.

People forget that we basically blew up the team this year. But for some reason we are now bitching that this team isn't fully loaded.

DeAnthony Thomas is as bad as taking McCluster. KC needed a WR and they reached for a gadget play punt returner.

Except he's a liability in both aspects.

Catapano and Commings are done in professional football. DJ isn't going to be near as effective after shredding his ankle.

Demetrius Harris? Are you kidding me? Hed be a great candidate for NFL Europe. Fact is he is another two seasons away from being a competent third TE.

Kelce and Davis are the only decent players picked.. And both are backups.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

DeAnthony Thomas is as bad as taking McCluster. KC needed a WR and they reached for a gadget play punt returner.

Except he's a liability in both aspects.

Catapano and Commings are done in professional football. DJ isn't going to be near as effective after shredding his ankle.

Demetrius Harris? Are you kidding me? Hed be a great candidate for NFL Europe. Fact is he is another two seasons away from being a competent third TE.

Kelce and Davis are the only decent players picked.. And both are backups.

Holy ****ing shit.

Commings and catapano are done? Where the **** is that coming from? Catapano is out this season because of a concussion. We don't know what we have in them. DAT has been an effective gadget receiver and should improve. No, he's not a primary receiver but he's a valuable role player. And Harris was very valuable to us when we ran 3 te sets, which we had a lot of success with. You're right, we should just cut all these guys before we know what we have in them.

[KCFalcon59]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We are significantly better on the D-line and the secondary. We are one really good receiver away from having a lot of excellent receiving options. We have 3 excellent backs. We have an improved QB. Could not have anticipated devastating injuries this year.

WR1, 1 or 2 new o-linemen at minimum. Get our players healthy again. This team isn't that far away. The only issue is that this team will go as far as Reid and Alex Smith go.

You're delusional. We have a rag tag patchwork group of has beens manning our secondary. They absolutely suck. Smoke and mirrors. JFC

[Reerun_KC]

DJ is done, this team hasn't won anything with him nor will they in the future. Cut your losses and move on to younger players.