Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Dante84

MVS + CEH + 5th = Hopkins?

What is everyone's deal with MVS? Sheesh.

[O.city]

Here's the thing though, as much as everyone jumps for joy with the "the cap is rising" stuff, they fail to mention that player salaries do as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Here's the thing though, as much as everyone jumps for joy with the "the cap is rising" stuff, they fail to mention that player salaries do as well.

Yup.

It's why I caution folks against using the 'available cap space' approach.

Look at where we are relative to the league. And then look at where we are in terms of players under contract for next season.

Because the cap going up by 15% means that every agent in the world is gonna start with 2022PlayerX+15% as his opening salvo.

Those guys do this for a living - they ain't stupid.

If we have $40 million in cap space and there are 20 teams in the league who have more than that (or around that and 5 more players under contract than we do), then we're still not going to be in a position to be major players in the FA market.

The only ENORMOUS advantage we have over everyone else when it comes to the rising cap is that our All-Universe Quarterback is under contract for a decade at figures that would be nearly manageable under the present cap figures.

The surplus value built into his deal is going to be so absurd as to almost require that we go back to the table with him at some point in the next 3-5 years like we did with Kelce this year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

It's why I caution folks against using the 'available cap space' approach.

Look at where we are relative to the league. And then look at where we are in terms of players under contract for next season.

Because the cap going up by 15% means that every agent in the world is gonna start with 2022PlayerX+15% as his opening salvo.

Those guys do this for a living - they ain't stupid.

If we have $40 million in cap space and there are 20 teams in the league who have more than that (or around that and 5 more players under contract than we do), then we're still not going to be in a position to be major players in the FA market.

The only ENORMOUS advantage we have over everyone else when it comes to the rising cap is that our All-Universe Quarterback is under contract for a decade at figures that would be nearly manageable under the present cap figures.

The surplus value built into his deal is going to be so absurd as to almost require that we go back to the table with him at some point in the next 3-5 years like we did with Kelce this year.

I'm guessing they tear up his deal and do a new one in 3 or 4 years, right? YOu pretty much have to.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm guessing they tear up his deal and do a new one in 3 or 4 years, right? YOu pretty much have to.

One thing they could probably do is appeal to his competitive nature.

It's not easy to ask a competitive person to give you some of his money to go sign players. But it's pretty easy to prevent that same competitive person from asking you for MORE money if it prevents you from signing players.

In that sense, just having numbers in black ink should work to the Chiefs advantage.

But they have to sate Mahomes in the process. They could give him a raise, yeah. But I think he'd probably be just as content if they tell him "Yeah Pat - we hear you, but we can finish DE1s deal at X dollars and WR2s deal at Y dollars and we kinda need Z dollars to make that happen..."

And because he's a psychopath, the former's probably just as good as the latter to him.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

One thing they could probably do is appeal to his competitive nature.

It's not easy to ask a competitive person to give you some of his money to go sign players. But it's pretty easy to prevent that same competitive person from asking you for MORE money if it prevents you from signing players.

In that sense, just having numbers in black ink should work to the Chiefs advantage.

But they have to sate Mahomes in the process. They could give him a raise, yeah. But I think he'd probably be just as content if they tell him "Yeah Pat - we hear you, but we can finish DE1s deal at X dollars and WR2s deal at Y dollars and we kinda need Z dollars to make that happen..."

And because he's a psychopath, the former's probably just as good as the latter to him.

Chris Jones’ dad told me before the Titans AFCCG that Mahomes would take less than fair market value so the Chiefs could retain him. Dude asked whether I was a reporter, lol.

No reason to think he doesn’t continue to do so. Pat gonna be the first NFL billionaire.

[chiefzilla1501]

Still not crazy about either guy. We will be spending $25m - $30m on a slow guy who is more of a possession WR and a fast guy who can’t do much else. I don’t want to hear that we can’t afford a WR1. Pay the money for a WR1. Use the draft to fill in everybody else. I’m good with skyy, Toney, Watson and a relentless focus on finding good WRs in the draft. I like juju but I can’t fathom resigning the guy for big money in a wr room that lacks a wr1.

[RunKC]

I don’t see a problem with Juju getting $15-18 million on a 3 year deal. It benefits both parties.

Year 1-low cap hit
Year 2-medium high cap hit
Year 3-high cap hit/can cut and save money

Chris Jones and Orlando Brown Jr extensions push immediate cap hit money out. The problem is wanting to trade for Brian Burns and blow $30 million a year on him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t see a problem with Juju getting $15-18 million on a 3 year deal. It benefits both parties.

Year 1-low cap hit
Year 2-medium high cap hit
Year 3-high cap hit/can cut and save money

Chris Jones and Orlando Brown Jr extensions push immediate cap hit money out. The problem is wanting to trade for Brian Burns and blow $30 million a year on him.

There are very few people who can do what Brian Burns can do.

There are alot who can do what JJSS can do at a fraction of that cost. But carry on.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

There are very few people who can do what Brian Burns can do.

There are alot who can do what JJSS can do at a fraction of that cost. But carry on.

We’ve tried to find that guy for awhile but haven’t. Jehu Chesson, Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Cornell Powell. And now apparently Skyy Moore.

People can point to that, but the data does not prove it right.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’ve tried to find that guy for awhile but haven’t. Jehu Chesson, Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Cornell Powell. And now apparently Skyy Moore.

People can point to that, but the data does not prove it right.

I’m mostly with you. I think we’ve proven we’re not very good at finding hidden WR1 gems. But jjss doesn’t solve that. He’s a possession WR with a huge target share on an offense that opens him up for short stuff. We’ve brought in lots of speed guys, but we haven’t tried as much with possession guys.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’ve tried to find that guy for awhile but haven’t. Jehu Chesson, Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Cornell Powell. And now apparently Skyy Moore.

People can point to that, but the data does not prove it right.

So because they haven't been able to find one in UDFA and the ass end of hte draft, they need to pay JJSS 18 mil a year to do it?

I mean hell, Pringle had 600 yards and 6 TD's last year. They did find it, the data shows they did.

The data shows Sammy Watkins didn't even do that in his tenure here.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by O.city

So because they haven't been able to find one in UDFA and the ass end of hte draft, they need to pay JJSS 18 mil a year to do it?

I mean hell, Pringle had 600 yards and 6 TD's last year. They did find it, the data shows they did.

The data shows Sammy Watkins didn't even do that in his tenure here.

Pringle had a down year and is a FA.

We could very well bring him back for vet minimum and replace JJSS’ production with him, Skyy, and a draftee.

[RunKC]

It’s gonna come down to money. It always does. If Juju can accept a $14-15 million avg contract that has incentives to get to $20 million then I’m game.

Bc if he hits those incentives, it means he’s balling in the playoffs and leading us to a SB like Sammy did in 2019.

[O.city]

You don't find "hidden gems' late in the draft very often. Its mostly luck.

If you want a legitimate WR or a legitimate DE or a legitimate insert position, you are gonna have to draft them early.

We just did that with a WR last year and now we don't want to play him. Seems like the formula for success.