Underclassmen QB's in the draft.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.


I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

[Basileus777]

That's too small of a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

[milkman]

You're a ****ing idiot.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

That's too small of a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

I am not just saying these guys. I am saying in the history of the NFL, has there been an underclassman at QB that has come in and lit it up?

An honest question.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're a ****ing idiot.

Yes, because I am not willing to rationalize a QB is worth the pick, just because we have it.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook the sexual assault and his other questionable decisions.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook that he played for USC and was surrounded by great talent and a great coaching staff, and that 'probably' helped him look pretty good.

Now, do you have any juniors that came out and went in the top 10 that turned out to be great.

Again, I am not saying none have made it.... just wondering who and when.

Oh, and do you think hiring your brother as your agent is a 'good' move?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

Look at this.

You wrote this.

Is this "sensible"?

[doomy3]

Well here is the list of quarterbacks who came out early since 1998.

Brock Huard Washington 1999
Josh Booty LSU 2001
Quincy Carter Georgia 2001
Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Bret Engemann Brigham Young 2003
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Derek Jones West Virginia 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Matt Mauck LSU QB 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Walter Washington Temple 2005
Omar Jacobs Bowling Green 2006
Brandon Kirsch Purdue 2006
Marcus Vick Virginia Tech 2006
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007
Xavier Lee Florida State 2008

[Just Passin' By]

Thank goodness! This board had gone almost 20 minutes without a new thread about Stafford/Sanchez.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Look at this.

You wrote this.

Is this "sensible"?

So, you don't have any junior Qb's in the top ten either that have come out and been successful?

I guess, maybe, that is what Pete Carroll was telling the kid.

Now, what many fail to realize is that a ton of kids have looked good on tape for a season. It isn't that uncommon. It is even more common when you have that kid surrounded by good coaches and good talent.

Here are the list of red flags:

#1) Lack of experience.
#2) Sexual Assault arrest.
#3) Didn't listen to his coaches or his parents in leaving school early.
#4) Hired his brother as his agent.
#5) Poor combine performance.

Just not sold on the guy. But, then again, I try to be sensible and realize that a great linebacker, WR or even RT is better than a bust at QB.

I know that the 'in crowd' on here struggles with that.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yes, because I am not willing to rationalize a QB is worth the pick, just because we have it.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook the sexual assault and his other questionable decisions.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook that he played for USC and was surrounded by great talent and a great coaching staff, and that 'probably' helped him look pretty good.

Now, do you have any juniors that came out and went in the top 10 that turned out to be great.

Again, I am not saying none have made it.... just wondering who and when.

Oh, and do you think hiring your brother as your agent is a 'good' move?

You are a ****ing idiot because you base this whole immaturity argument and call him an arrogant prima donna based on the fact that he chose to go into the draft in spite of the advise he got from his family and Pete Carroll.

You have no idea what he had going through his mind when he was weighing his decision.

You have no idea what guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart, who he talked with, had to say to him that affected his decision.

The fact, making an assumption that he's immature and arrogant based solely on that decision is about the single stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You also refuse to consider any other thing when it comes to your viewpoint.

It doesn't matter to you that the DA found no evidence to support that girl's claim, and in fact, it has been posted elsewher that they had clear evidence she lied to police when she told them she and Sanchez left the bar together, because video shows that she left the bar alone.

All your dumbass has is that you don't like Sanchez, so you are going to disparage him in any way you can.

I hope your dumbass falls backwards on to a Roberto Alomar tree stump.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Well here is the list of quarterbacks who came out early since 1998.

Brock Huard Washington 1999
Josh Booty LSU 2001
Quincy Carter Georgia 2001
Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Bret Engemann Brigham Young 2003
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Derek Jones West Virginia 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Matt Mauck LSU QB 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Walter Washington Temple 2005
Omar Jacobs Bowling Green 2006
Brandon Kirsch Purdue 2006
Marcus Vick Virginia Tech 2006
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007
Xavier Lee Florida State 2008

Big Ben is as good as the list gets. And, he was a three year starter in college.

Michael Vick was never the great traditional QB. And, unless Sanchez can run a sub 4.4... then probably doens't compare to Vick.

This isn't to say that Sanchez can't be great, but surely don't see any historical reference that suggest he will.

[Reerun_KC]

So Sensible based on your historical evidence, who would you draft at the #3 spot that will be a sure walk to the HOF?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

You are a ****ing idiot because you base this whole immaturity argument and call him an arrogant prima donna based on the fact that he chose to go into the draft in spite of the advise he got from his family and Pete Carroll.

You have no idea what he had going through his mind when he was weighing his decision.

You have no idea what guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart, who he talked with, had to say to him that affected his decision.

The fact, making an assumption that he's immature and arrogant based solely on that decision is about the single stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You also refuse to consider any other thing when it comes to your viewpoint.

It doesn't matter to you that the DA found no evidence to support that girl's claim, and in fact, it has been posted elsewher that they had clear evidence she lied to police when she told them she and Sanchez left the bar together, because video shows that she left the bar alone.

All your dumbass has is that you don't like Sanchez, so you are going to disparage him in any way you can.

I hope your dumbass falls backwards on to a Roberto Alomar tree stump.

Didn't see the part where the girl had lied to the police. I started doing more research on the kid because I WANTED to like him. The Chiefs NEED a franchise QB. They have the third pick. It would be nice to feel like he was worth the pick. That is when I ran into that story.

Do you have a link about the girl llying to police?

Yes, I do think it shows imaturity to leave school early. It shows he wants to get his payday. Football is about more than just getting paid. If not, then I don't want you leading my team.

Finally, the hiring of his brother as his agent shows how arrogant, ignorant and immature this kid is.

It will be interesting to see how his career pans out.

But, for the record, you couldn't give me a guy that came out after his junior year and set the NFL on fire. Especially not one with 16 games experience.

I know, I am the one not wanting to see anyone elses side on this.

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by milkman

You are a ****ing idiot because you base this whole immaturity argument and call him an arrogant prima donna based on the fact that he chose to go into the draft in spite of the advise he got from his family and Pete Carroll.

You have no idea what he had going through his mind when he was weighing his decision.

You have no idea what guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart, who he talked with, had to say to him that affected his decision.

The fact, making an assumption that he's immature and arrogant based solely on that decision is about the single stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You also refuse to consider any other thing when it comes to your viewpoint.

It doesn't matter to you that the DA found no evidence to support that girl's claim, and in fact, it has been posted elsewher that they had clear evidence she lied to police when she told them she and Sanchez left the bar together, because video shows that she left the bar alone.

All your dumbass has is that you don't like Sanchez, so you are going to disparage him in any way you can.

I hope your dumbass falls backwards on to a Roberto Alomar tree stump.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Didn't see the part where the girl had lied to the police.

Yes, I do think it shows imaturity to leave school early. It shows he wants to get his payday. Football is about more than just getting paid. If not, then I don't want you leading my team.

Finally, the hiring of his brother as his agent shows how arrogant, ignorant and immature this kid is.

1. Shocking that you hadn't seen this. It's been discussed so many ****ing times it's unbelievable.

2. We should draft only seniors. Juniors bad. Seniors good.

3. Yes, how unbelievably stupid for the kid to surround himself with people whom he trusts. Family. Stupid. And has been pointed out numerous times, his brother isn't the only one helping him with this process.