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Old 10-15-2013, 09:38 AM   #1
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that sucks but can you have statutory if everyone involved were minors? It certainly appears that this girl and her mom are being targeted by the community as a whole and that these young men are being enabled to act irresponsibly and with no consequences.

Blame the parents of the perps. Period. End of story. Prosecute the parents for this crap and it will stop happening

I'm so very very tired of arguing this point with other people. But how else will justice be served?

Prosecute the parents who allowed these minors to drink too.

End of story and if you don't agree, kindly piss off.
Wait. Are you saying that the parents should be prosecuted because their 17 year old son got drunk and raped a chick? Is that what you're trying to say?
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:33 AM   #2
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:37 AM   #3
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
So she was asking to be raped. Got it.

You must have also missed the part about the confessions by the rapist in this case.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:40 AM   #4
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
Typically I'm with you on this. But I don't think it's particularly common for the sheriff to so publicly and vehemently disagree with the prosecutor.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:45 AM   #5
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
Read the article.

1. She was dumped off on her front lawn in freezing weather. That doesn't scream consensual anything.

2. They confessed.

I like how you make it all about her though. Those poor guys... they're the REAL victims huh?
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:48 AM   #6
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
I don't anybody would claim she didn't use poor judgement in terms of putting herself in a bad situation but that's aside to a bunch of kids from well connected families potentially getting away w/ multiple felonies.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:01 PM   #7
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I don't anybody would claim she didn't use poor judgement in terms of putting herself in a bad situation but that's aside to a bunch of kids from well connected families potentially getting away w/ multiple felonies.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:21 AM   #8
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
You didn't read the story, but people like you that blame the rape victim for being raped can DIAF.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:42 PM   #9
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You didn't read the story, but people like you that blame the rape victim for being raped can DIAF.
Saying someone made bad decisions doesn't mean you're blaming them.

Saying a woman shouldn't walk in a dark parking lot alone at night doesn't mean you're blaming her if she gets mugged.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:46 PM   #10
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Saying someone made bad decisions doesn't mean you're blaming them.

Saying a woman shouldn't walk in a dark parking lot alone at night doesn't mean you're blaming her if she gets mugged.
True, but when he added this part it sounded a whole lot like he didn't have much sympathy for her and stopped just short of saying it was her fault.

"Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual."
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:42 AM   #11
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
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She drank from the ‘bitch cup’

Daisy Coleman remembers little of the night, except how it started. She and a 13-year-old friend, a girl she considered her little sister, had a sleepover at the Colemans. Daisy Coleman admits the girls were drinking and were not acting with her mother’s permission.

“Then this guy texted me and he's like, 'Hey, you want to hang out?’ And I was like, ‘Well, I’ll have to sneak around. It's like one in the morning,” she said.

The guy who texted Daisy was Barnett, a friend of Daisy’s older brother, Charlie, who had been at the Coleman’s a couple nights before for a chili dinner. Barnett drove over to the Colemans, picked up Daisy and her friend and, along with some other boys, snuck into Barnett’s home through a basement window. There, Daisy continued drinking, using a glass that has since become infamous.

“They called it the ‘bitch cup,’” Daisy Coleman said, “and it’s a really, really tall shot glass. I think it had lines. Like, if you drank that much, you were some rank or whatever. Like, you’re a B-word if you only take half of it."
She snuck out. Her mom did not know. She got herself in a bad situation. She doesn't deserve to be raped. It's not like she went to a party suggestively dressed and dry humping everyone in the place. Which still doesn't make rape OK, but this doesn't even rise to the level of her "asking for it".
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:44 AM   #12
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She snuck out. Her mom did not know. She got herself in a bad situation. She doesn't deserve to be raped. It's not like she went to a party suggestively dressed and dry humping everyone in the place. Which still doesn't make rape OK, but this doesn't even rise to the level of her "asking for it".
She was also dumped in sub-freezing temps. I can't imagine doing that to someone.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:42 AM   #13
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She snuck out. Her mom did not know. She got herself in a bad situation. She doesn't deserve to be raped. It's not like she went to a party suggestively dressed and dry humping everyone in the place. Which still doesn't make rape OK, but this doesn't even rise to the level of her "asking for it".
Exactly.

Look your mother, sister, daughter or someone else you care about that's female, and get back to me on what they have to do to rise to the level of asking to be or deserves to be rape.
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Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
i just realized this is old but whatever... a 14 year old's judgment varies by each kid.. most kids don't understand their limits, so it's of no surprise that she got blacked out drunk.
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