Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[The Franchise]

So Schwartz made the offensive line better....but he's just a guy.

****ing stupid.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So Schwartz made the offensive line better....but he's just a guy.

****ing stupid.

Four teams in four years says that he's just a guy.

If the Chiefs thought he was super All-Pro like everyone around here thinks, then I'm pretty sure that 16 over 4 wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to retain his services.

Just a guy. We signed his identical twin in Linkenbach. I don't know why people keep freaking out about the team letting Schwartz go.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Four teams in four years says that he's just a guy.

If the Chiefs thought he was super All-Pro like everyone around here thinks, then I'm pretty sure that 16 over 4 wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to retain his services.

Just a guy. We signed his identical twin in Linkenbach. I don't know why people keep freaking out about the team letting Schwartz go.

I don't know, either, but I also don't know why you are obsessed with drafting an OG in the first round when one will be there in the third or fourth.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Four teams in four years says that he's just a guy.

If the Chiefs thought he was super All-Pro like everyone around here thinks, then I'm pretty sure that 16 over 4 wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to retain his services.

Just a guy. We signed his identical twin in Linkenbach. I don't know why people keep freaking out about the team letting Schwartz go.

Why did the Giants give him that starting contract? Because he's just a guy?

Or because he was a young player that needed time to turn into the solid starter that he was for us?

Bouncing around from team-to-team doesn't mean shit. On paper if that's all you know about a player, then sure, it's a bad thing. We don't have just that. We have half of a season's worth of games to look at what he did and judge him as a starting offensive lineman. The prognosis around most of the fanbase was that he was absolutely good enough to start for the team longterm. The Giants clearly ****ing viewed it that way, and so did John Dorsey, who apparently tried hard to reach out to Schwartz, but wouldn't bite the bullet on the contract that Schwartz wanted.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by SNR

Why did the Giants give him that starting contract? Because he's just a guy?

Or because he was a young player that needed time to turn into the solid starter that he was for us?

Bouncing around from team-to-team doesn't mean shit. On paper if that's all you know about a player, then sure, it's a bad thing. We don't have just that. We have half of a season's worth of games to look at what he did and judge him as a starting offensive lineman. The prognosis around most of the fanbase was that he was absolutely good enough to start for the team longterm. The Giants clearly ****ing viewed it that way, and so did John Dorsey, who apparently tried hard to reach out to Schwartz, but wouldn't bite the bullet on the contract that Schwartz wanted.

You could say the exact same thing for Rishaw Johnson. And sure... John Dorsey wanted him back, but clearly NOT for the amount of money that the Giants were willing to pay him.

Scwartz might be the single most over-valued player I've ever seen in a KC uniform. Dude starts less than half a season and he suddenly becomes irreplaceable and the future of the organization. I just don't get it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You could say the exact same thing for Rishaw Johnson. And sure... John Dorsey wanted him back, but clearly NOT for the amount of money that the Giants were willing to pay him.

Scwartz might be the single most over-valued player I've ever seen in a KC uniform. Dude starts less than half a season and he suddenly becomes irreplaceable and the future of the organization. I just don't get it.

Rishaw has one game of starting experience. He's going to have pitfalls. Schwartz came in with a lot of experience, actually.

Guards should be invisible. You shouldn't notice they exist on the team. If your guy is a pancake machine and Will Shields, then great, but other than that a team should only ever invest in the position to keep it adequate and steady.

Schwartz was adequacy and steadiness. He would have been a veteran figure that the rest of the line is already comfortable playing next to. Now the Chiefs have to worry about Fisher, Stephenson, AND their RG, in addition to Jeff Allen's continued bullshit and Rodney Hudson just being okay.

Having Schwartz there would have helped out all those problems in a significant way.

[Saccopoo]

Really what it comes down to is how much is the drop off between a guy like:

- Marquis Lee versus Devin Street or Mike Davis or Jared Abbrederis
- Odell Beckham/Brandin Cooks versus Josh Huff or Robert Herron

versus

Xavier S'ua Filo versus Trai Turner or Dakota Dozier

Which drop off are you willing to accept more?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Really what it comes down to is how much is the drop off between a guy like:

- Marquis Lee versus Devin Street or Mike Davis or Jared Abbrederis
- Odell Beckham/Brandin Cooks versus Josh Huff or Robert Herron

versus

Xavier S'ua Filo versus Trai Turner or Dakota Dozier

Which drop off are you willing to accept more?

Your obsession with a guard in the first round is just unbelievable. As if a new right guard is what this team is REALLY missing.

I just don't understand. Really, I don't understand why guard is the big problem in your opinion.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Your obsession with a guard in the first round is just unbelievable. As if a new right guard is what this team is REALLY missing.

I just don't understand. Really, I don't understand why guard is the big problem in your opinion.

I take it you are happy with Linkenbach or Johnson as your starting RG and Allen as your LG.

And you feel that upgrading either Hemingway or Jenkins is the best route to take with that first round pick.

That's cool.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I take it you are happy with Linkenbach or Johnson as your starting RG and Allen as your LG.

And you feel that upgrading either Hemingway or Jenkins is the best route to take with that first round pick.

That's cool.

And you are happy with handing the keys over to a rookie.

That's cool.

I just wildly disagree with you.

It's not upgrading Hemingway or Jenkins. It's upgrading Bowe or Avery.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Really what it comes down to is how much is the drop off between a guy like:

- Marquis Lee versus Devin Street or Mike Davis or Jared Abbrederis
- Odell Beckham/Brandin Cooks versus Josh Huff or Robert Herron

versus

Xavier S'ua Filo versus Trai Turner or Dakota Dozier

Which drop off are you willing to accept more?

Dozier and Turner are both potential starters. I wouldn't be comfortable giving them the starting spot in Year One.

I'm also not comfortable giving S'ua Filo the starting spot in Year One. I've seen this ****ing song and dance before when it comes to the "safe" picks we draft in the first round.

Eric Fisher, Tyson Jackson, Glenn Dorsey, Ryan Sims, John Tait, Victor Reilly...

Newsflash: Those guys weren't "safe" players at all in their rookie seasons. Quite the opposite, actually. They all sucked dick as first-year starters

**** the future of the offensive line. We can get guys for the future in Dozier and Turner. What we worry about right now is THIS YEAR. 2014. Who's going to not look like Eric Fisher out there?

S'ua Filo is just as much an unknown in that department as Rishaw Johnson. No difference.

[saphojunkie]

The point is that saying "this guy is just as tall/fast/hands/productive as this other guy... they must be the same!" has just been disproven time and time again.

Jerry Rice wasn't great because of his measurables, and the fact that we have to say that again is crazy. It's not new information or innovative thinking.

[saphojunkie]

Right, I get you.

My point is this... I would rather have the fourth best WR in the draft than the single best guard. I would also rather have the second best tight end in the draft than the best guard.

I personally think that our TE situation is terrible as is our WR corps. I think there are multiple guys in this draft who can be at least as good as Bowe right out of the gate. If one of them can push to be our #1 threat and make Bowe his more natural #2... then I'll take them over any guard other than a rookie Will Shields.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Right, I get you.

My point is this... I would rather have the fourth best WR in the draft than the single best guard. I would also rather have the second best tight end in the draft than the best guard.

I personally think that our TE situation is terrible as is our WR corps. I think there are multiple guys in this draft who can be at least as good as Bowe right out of the gate. If one of them can push to be our #1 threat and make Bowe his more natural #2... then I'll take them over any guard other than a rookie Will Shields.

WR > OLB > TE > OG > S > ILB > CB > OT > NT = DE > QB > RB >

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Right, I get you.

My point is this... I would rather have the fourth best WR in the draft than the single best guard. I would also rather have the second best tight end in the draft than the best guard.

I personally think that our TE situation is terrible as is our WR corps. I think there are multiple guys in this draft who can be at least as good as Bowe right out of the gate. If one of them can push to be our #1 threat and make Bowe his more natural #2... then I'll take them over any guard other than a rookie Will Shields.

absolutely

Skill positions can have greater impact

Guard might be the lowest impact position on the entire team or fullback since teams don't use them much.