KCCrow's 2014 "What I Want" Final Mock - Page 2

Sfeihc · 05-01-2014, 05:41 AM

No Hem, no care.

Halfcan · 05-01-2014, 09:34 AM

If the Chiefs can plug in 3 solid starter out of this draft-that would be a win!

**HemiEd** · 05-01-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

If the Chiefs can plug in 3 solid starter out of this draft-that would be a win!

Better than last year when they were picking 1st overall.

Sfeihc · 05-01-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Better than last year when they were picking 1st overall.

Only the CHIEFS could have the #1 overall pick in the worst draft in the last 20 years.

OldSchool · 05-01-2014, 09:49 AM

Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is.

I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round.

Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position.

Wes Welker - UDFA
Victor Cruz - UDFA
Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64
Danny Amendola - UDFA
Lance Moore - UDFA
Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20
Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114
Doug Baldwin - UDFA
T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92
etc.

I think you get the picture now.

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is.

I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round.

Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position.

Wes Welker - UDFA
Victor Cruz - UDFA
Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64
Danny Amendola - UDFA
Lance Moore - UDFA
Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20
Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114
Doug Baldwin - UDFA
T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92
etc.

I think you get the picture now.

How many of those guys put up the college numbers that Brandin Cooks did WHILE playing in a pro style system all three years that he was a starter?

With the exception of Cobb, who made his mark as a kick returner more than anything, very few of those guys had successful college careers.

Cooks has had excellent production while playing for 3 different QBs each year. He's put up 1000+ receiving yards in seasons where he was scrounging for catches with guys like Markus Wheaton, and he also put up ungodly jaw-dropping numbers while he was THE #1 guy getting double-teamed constantly (2013).

The argument I've always been making is that Cooks isn't just some slot guy that can be grabbed at any point. He's much more than that, and I'm willing to bet that he leads rookie WRs in 2014 in production.

That's completely different from rationalizing a pick like Xavier Su'a Filo over a midround guard like Dakota Dozier.

Sorter · 05-01-2014, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is.

I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round.

Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position.

Wes Welker - UDFA HOF QBs
Victor Cruz - UDFA HOF QB
Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64 HOF QB
Danny Amendola - UDFA 1 year of production + HOF QB
Lance Moore - UDFA HOF QB
Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20
Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114
Doug Baldwin - UDFA
T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92
etc.

I think you get the picture now.

One could make arguments that Short is GT productive and Baldwin and Hilton play outside quite a bit.

Additionally, it could very well be the case that Baldwin and Hilton are also playing with HOF QBs.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2014, 10:24 AM

No one has said that Cooks has legitimate #1 WR potential.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2014, 10:51 AM

Scott Mannion and Cody Vaz. Those are the QBs that Cooks has had.

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Scott Mannion and Cody Vaz. Those are the QBs that Cooks has had.

I thought Mannion was a 1-year starter? I could be wrong.

In any case, yeah. Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz. Not exactly what I call inflated stats due to the system or the other players.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I thought Mannion was a 1-year starter? I could be wrong.

In any case, yeah. Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz. Not exactly what I call inflated stats due to the system or the other players.

Mannion started the entire season last year. The year before that....he started the season but got hurt and then it was QB roulette between Vaz and Mannion for the rest of the season.

RunKC · 05-01-2014, 11:16 AM

Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

Are we talking WRs only at #23?

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

I'd love Latimer.

Hell, I'll probably grump a little bit about Matthews simply because there are players I like better, but he's clearly got a lot of great things going for him and how we would use him in this offense. In the end, I think I would be satisfied if we took him at 23.

Just no ****ing interior offensive linemen.

Saccopoo · 05-01-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

Dude...

That's ****ing nuts considering the level of talent in this draft.

Tell me what Latimer has over a guy like Devin Street, who could be had in the 3/4th round.

Latimer is being severely overrated.

In this draft, you are going to take a Big 10 receiver that couldn't get beyond the conference Honorable Mention team?

Nuts.

05-01-2014, 09:49 AM	#5
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is. I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round. Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position. Wes Welker - UDFA Victor Cruz - UDFA Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64 Danny Amendola - UDFA Lance Moore - UDFA Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20 Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114 Doug Baldwin - UDFA T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92 etc. I think you get the picture now.
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05-01-2014, 10:24 AM	#8
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