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Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread
There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...
I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here |
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05-05-2014, 03:37 PM | #1906 |
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GRRM sometimes gets too focused on trying to make his characters real at the expense of story-telling. Dany is a perfect example. In the books she is a 14 or 15 year old girl, it's only natural she would moon over some dreamy guy and lose focus, so she does. With Tyrion, killing his dad and shae really screws up his psyche and makes him less fun to read about in book 5. The good news is they both got interesting again at the very end, so hopefully book 6 will be awesome.
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I think she's a good guy with poor strategic vision and a serious inability to foresee the consequences of her actions. I wouldn't hold Undead Cercei's actions against her if she should become so, and it's rather absurd to hold Undead CAt's actions against her when alive. Lady Stoneheart isn't really Catelyn Stark at all. Apparently you just have a crush on Lena Headey or something, because, no seriously, I think most of what you're saying above to be reaalllly far out there.
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05-05-2014, 05:02 PM | #1908 | |
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Stoneheart isn't Catelyn, but just happens to take revenge out on Catelyn's enemies? I've been sympathetic towards Cercei since before I ever saw the show, so it's not Headey. Honestly, it may be because Robert is by far the character I hate the most. I don't see how Cercei could have turned out any differently, considering Tywin is her father and Robert was her husband. |
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In no shape or form did GRR ever write a scene like they showed on TV last night. I was flabbergasted. WTF? Cersi should be tearing into her telling her she's the queen running things until he comes of age, not her.
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With the way they have treated cersi in the TV series no way they don't also make life a little easier and more sympathetic for Tyrion. He's probably the most popular person on the show.
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Lena Heady seems to expect Cersei's "walk" to happen.
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Sure she's been mainly horrible, and probably got herself into this mess... but she's still human. Very few people if any are 100% good or evil. |
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I don't mind her being humanized but Headey has always played her like she's just a heroic victim of circumstance and a woman to be admired. That's not Cersei. I don't think she ever truly 'got' the character and because of her portrayal neither have any unread viewers. And her tone is more wrong now than it's ever been.
I was surprised when they had Tyrion straight up say to Pod she was plotting against him for the trial and I hope they play that up in the coming weeks. The sympathetic character out of all this has to be the imp. She needs to be vindictive and manipulative and bribing everyone against Tyrion. This should be the point of universal hatred for her. |
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Pretty good bit about Cesei from Grantland.
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Well, no, that's an exaggeration really. Ned didn't die because Cat took Tyrion captive. Rob and Cat didn't die because of anything Cat did. In fact, she advised Rob to go the other way, right? And no other member of the family is dead...yet. Quote:
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Of all the characters on this show, you hate Robert the most? All he is was is a drinking, whoring, fighter who sort of tripped into getting the crown. He also never recovered from having his betrothed stolen from him. I agree he's not all that sympathetic, but "hate the most"? Compared to Joffrey?!? Gregor Clegane and his boys? Weird.
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Stoneheart is vengeance incarnate. Also, since she was dead so long, there wasn't much left to revive. Beric made mention (in the show at least) that each time he was resurrected, he was different in some way and he was normally resurrected right after he died. Cat was in the river for a while. |
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Beric came back each time as what, 95% his old self? It seems presumptuous to think that would not hold true with Catelyn. The main difference is her inability to talk, and that is a result of her injury, not of her resurrection. Yes, I hate Robert the most. Joff, Gregor, Qyburn, etc are certainly bad guys, but Robert was the most powerful man in the world, but only did as he liked, no matter the consequences for his family or those he was over. At least Cersei and Tywin cared for their family, Robert literally only loved himself and could not suffer the slightest inconvenience to benefit anyone else. Yet, he's a good guy. |
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Oh, also- Robert is really the only person in the books who believes Lyanna was stolen from him. Even Ned doesn't hold ill will toward Rhaegar.
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