Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by O.city

Let Smith make all that money and take the lumps while they (hopefully, doubtful) build the roster. He'll keep the ship going forward, be a good trooper, not be an absolute dumpster fire, while they find the future.

Yawn.

You fail in your assumption that the team gives a shit about finding a future.

[O.city]

IF they end up with the 1st overall pick, you've got to move on from him no matter what.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

IF they end up with the 1st overall pick, you've got to move on from him no matter what.

This. Smith is ok but if you can get a Mariotta, you do it

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ILChief

This. Smith is ok but if you can get a Mariotta, you do it

In all of his time as a coach, I can't see any way Reid and Dorsey think Smith is anything more than he is.

I've been wrong before though. So probably.

[O.city]

I also don't think you go anywhere by changing and flipping philosphies and coaching staffs/front offices every 4 years.

We haven't had any stability since Marty left. Obviously, if they suck, move on. But at some point, you've got to give a FO time to build things they way they want.

[New World Order]

If we drafted a qb I would want Alex Smith miles away.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by New World Order

If we drafted a qb I would want Alex Smith miles away.

He was instrumental in helping Kaepernick understand the playbook and the weekly game plans. Kaepernick said as much and thanked him for it.

Alex is the right mentor, just not the guy you want to build your super bowl contender around. Bridgewater could have learned bunches from Alex, and Alex is a nice guy enough to teach him. Killer instinct guys like Joe Montana make lousy mentors, which is why he didn't help Steve Young. Alex is a nice guy who readily accepts training his replacement.

He is a perfect QB mentor.

A lot of coaches can't play but they know the mental side and communicate it. Sort of think of Alex like that as a mentor to a young developing QB behind him. Alex is the perfect mentor.

[FloridaMan88]

Chiefs entire 2014 draft class was invisible in their opening game… including their top two picks… Ford and Gaines who combined for four total snaps in the Tennessee game.

That is a failure of massive proportions when your entire draft class is a non factor in week 1.

Months are spent scouting these players in college, creating a draft board, going through the NFL Combine and pro days, and then the draft all leading up to having zero impact in the Chiefs first regular season game of 2014 (which not surprisingly resulted in a blow out loss).

An organizational failure that John Dorsey needs to come out from hiding and answer to.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I have a bad feeling about all of this sadly ugh. It has to do with drafting too but not as much as the QB Dorsey/Reid have chosen. I'm not sure Dorsey/Reid are gonna get a second shot after Alex Smith doesn't pan out. Poor QB play is a regime killer. Pioli sends his best from the grave.

[BlackOp]

This team looks lethargic...that is directly tied to poor coaching. They blew a 28 point lead in the most important game in a decade..that should never happen. Sutton is NOT a good coordinator... he's a one trick pony that inherited a slew of pro bowlers. He needs to go..and I'm starting to think Reid is just a brand name at this point. The team seems to play with the energy of AR in his Monday press conference...I watch it wondering if he is going to die of a heart attack...its like listening to a sloth drag its claws across glass.

This team looked ****ing terrible last Sunday...there is no excuse being that uncompetitive..year 2 in the "system"..

Frankly..I lost respect for Reid after that game plan..that was on par with Crennel...not an opening season display from a supposed top 5 coach. They just look like they expect to lose..and for bad things to happen.

They say pets mimic their owners...well..KC looks slow and outdated...waiting for a paycheck.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

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[Dinny Bossa Nova]

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[Dinny Bossa Nova]

BURN HIM!!!!!!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

One "solid" starter out of Dorsey's two drafts so far. Granted it's early, but Dorsey is not off to a good start. If you're gonna build through the draft you gotta have more hits than misses.