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Old 10-23-2014, 01:36 PM   #1
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When you cut players and payroll, add 4 draft picks, clean up your long term cap, and get much better... That's not a 9-7 strategy.
Cutting players based only on salary, not filling any of those holes with legitimate starters, drafting b/u's in the first round is a 9-7 strategy.

We made no attempt to improve any position in free agency. We lost starters in free agency...
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:47 AM   #2
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Throw away an entire season for comp picks

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Old 10-23-2014, 11:58 AM   #3
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Throw away an offseason for comp picks


I can't look at how this team is performing the last 5 or 6 weeks and believe Dorsey made any major personnel mistakes this off season but to each their own I guess.

I guess the Ford pick over a WR doesn't look good right now but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread so its really not relevant to this discussion.
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Old 10-23-2014, 12:02 PM   #4
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I can't look at how this team is performing the last 5 or 6 weeks and believe Dorsey made any major personnel mistakes this off season but to each their own I guess.

I guess the Ford pick over a WR doesn't look good right now but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread so its really not relevant to this discussion.
so then no WR,LG or Secondary help needed?



Dorsey should just give Reid his salary and call it even.
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Old 10-23-2014, 12:59 PM   #5
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so then no WR,LG or Secondary help needed?



Dorsey should just give Reid his salary and call it even.
Lets see, I addressed the WR part, LG help? No not seeing the absolute need, and as far as the secondary we are 2nd in pass defense and 10th in overall defense and we should get Berry back soon. Top that off with losing DJ and I would have to say our depth isn't too horrible. We get Mays back soon too. Oh yea we are the only team in the NFL yet to surrender a rushing TD. (I guess that offsets our WR TD drought).

We have played Manning, Brady, and Rivers in half our games so its not like we are feasting on shit QB's again.

I mean yea, I would love to have all pro talent at every position if we can figure out how to make that work but aside from Denver that doesn't seem to be plausible.

Wasted off season? I don't see how. Completely mis-evaluated off-season sounds closer to the truth to me.

Its ok to admit that Dorsey may know more about football than CP, its not a bad thing.
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Old 10-23-2014, 03:03 PM   #6
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Lets see, I addressed the WR part, LG help? No not seeing the absolute need, and as far as the secondary we are 2nd in pass defense and 10th in overall defense and we should get Berry back soon. Top that off with losing DJ and I would have to say our depth isn't too horrible. We get Mays back soon too. Oh yea we are the only team in the NFL yet to surrender a rushing TD. (I guess that offsets our WR TD drought).

We have played Manning, Brady, and Rivers in half our games so its not like we are feasting on shit QB's again.

I mean yea, I would love to have all pro talent at every position if we can figure out how to make that work but aside from Denver that doesn't seem to be plausible.

Wasted off season? I don't see how. Completely mis-evaluated off-season sounds closer to the truth to me.

Its ok to admit that Dorsey may know more about football than CP, its not a bad thing.
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:50 PM   #7
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so then no WR,LG or Secondary help needed?

Dorsey should just give Reid his salary and call it even.
This isn't entirely wrong.

Dorsey has been shopping exclusively out of the bargain bin for a year now, and Reid has been the one making it work.
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:18 PM   #9
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Throw away an offseason for comp picks

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

We upgraded at DE by letting Tyson Jackson walk while promoting Bailey, who is a clear upgrade. All while saving 4 million.

We upgraded from McCluster to Thomas and saved another 4 million by spending a late round pick.

We upgraded from Kendrick Lewis to Parker and saved a bunch of money while putting a guy back thare that teams don't want to test on deep routes.

Akeem Jordan to Mauga and JMJ...no question those are upgrades.

Eric Fisher is coming along nicely and is starting to show flashes of why he was so sought after...I still wish we could have kept Albert, but I understand that in a salary capped league, you can't keep everyone.

Abdullah was the best value free agent in the nfl.

Gaines didn't allow a pass to be completed to his man and prevented 2 scores.

I wish we could have kept Asamoah because he could have helped at RG, but again...it's a salary capped league. Paying guys like Asamoah 4/yr would have kept us from being able to keep someone like Houston long term.

I think saying he say on his hands and wasted this offseason is silly.
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:29 PM   #10
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I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

We upgraded at DE by letting Tyson Jackson walk while promoting Bailey, who is a clear upgrade. All while saving 4 million.

We upgraded from McCluster to Thomas and saved another 4 million by spending a late round pick.

We upgraded from Kendrick Lewis to Parker and saved a bunch of money while putting a guy back thare that teams don't want to test on deep routes.

Akeem Jordan to Mauga and JMJ...no question those are upgrades.

Eric Fisher is coming along nicely and is starting to show flashes of why he was so sought after...I still wish we could have kept Albert, but I understand that in a salary capped league, you can't keep everyone.

Abdullah was the best value free agent in the nfl.

Gaines didn't allow a pass to be completed to his man and prevented 2 scores.

I wish we could have kept Asamoah because he could have helped at RG, but again...it's a salary capped league. Paying guys like Asamoah 4/yr would have kept us from being able to keep someone like Houston long term.

I think saying he say on his hands and wasted this offseason is silly.
Even counting the net addition of Alex Smith's contract, we essentially saved $20M, will probably get 4 comp picks, and got not just a little better but a lot better.

And that's not even factoring in that we have defensive 2 pro bowlers sitting on the injury list right now.
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"After June 1, free-agency acquisitions don’t count toward the compensatory pick calculation, either for the player’s former team or his new team." And Again, Abdullah and other "re-signed" players don't count.

The Chiefs will get a high pick for Albert. Mid-level pick for Asamoah and Tyson Jackson. And should get a 6th or 7th for everyone else they lost which would include McCluster and Lewis who are both starting. Those are high dollar players, they're all starting, and none of them can be neutralized by a player we signed.
I had never read that about June1, NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're going to for sure land 4 compensatory selections then, as I don't believe any team in this league even comes close to losing what we've lost.

How does Schwartz fit into the deal though? He doesn't fall under the "previous year signed, then released" clause, does he count? Because if he does that should jump over McCluster or Lewis, yes? I'd think that's 1 high, 3 mids then.

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I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

We upgraded at DE by letting Tyson Jackson walk while promoting Bailey, who is a clear upgrade. All while saving 4 million.

We upgraded from McCluster to Thomas and saved another 4 million by spending a late round pick.

We upgraded from Kendrick Lewis to Parker and saved a bunch of money while putting a guy back thare that teams don't want to test on deep routes.

Akeem Jordan to Mauga and JMJ...no question those are upgrades.

Eric Fisher is coming along nicely and is starting to show flashes of why he was so sought after...I still wish we could have kept Albert, but I understand that in a salary capped league, you can't keep everyone.

Abdullah was the best value free agent in the nfl.

Gaines didn't allow a pass to be completed to his man and prevented 2 scores.

I wish we could have kept Asamoah because he could have helped at RG, but again...it's a salary capped league. Paying guys like Asamoah 4/yr would have kept us from being able to keep someone like Houston long term.

I think saying he say on his hands and wasted this offseason is silly.
I agree with most of this, not all of it, but most of it. Especially the parts about the "hidden" upgrades there in the departure of McCluster and Jackson.
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Throw away an offseason for comp picks

It should be noted that for the "thrown away" draft season, we're actually better this year than we were last year.

Plus we're going to have 11 draft picks for next year.
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Dumbass checking in...what the hell are compensatory picks, when do you get them? The regular draft, or the supplemental draft?
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Dumbass checking in...what the hell are compensatory picks, when do you get them? The regular draft, or the supplemental draft?
Draft picks given for free agent players lost.

There's a whole equation the NFL uses to determine who deserves what round and how many. As far as I know the exact formula has never been released.

It's generally understood that it's starting FA's lost - starting FA's gained = X draft pick/s.

The highest is a 3rd and they're given out at the end of every round...
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