Chiefs Mellinger: In the Jets, there's a lesson for Chiefs fan about taking the safe route - Page 6

Amnorix · 10-31-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Hunt family went 1 of 2 in Super Bowls and earns a playoff bid once every fourth or fifth year with veteran QBs acquired from another team.

Drafting a first Round QB risks that kind of run. That's why you'll never see the Chiefs draft a Geno Smith or an Andrew Luck.

That and they're afraid of investing a guaranteed 70 million in one guy.

Putting everything else aside, your inclusion of Andrew Luck in this email made it completely absurd. No NFL team that didn't already have a HOF QB in his prime would have passed on Luck. NOT ONE.

jkw87 · 10-31-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Hunt family went 1 of 2 in Super Bowls and earns a playoff bid once every fourth or fifth year with veteran QBs acquired from another team.

Drafting a first Round QB risks that kind of run. That's why you'll never see the Chiefs draft a Geno Smith or an Andrew Luck.

That and they're afraid of investing a guaranteed 70 million in one guy.

You're an idiot if you think they would have passed on Luck if we'd had the opportunity. Throwing Geno into the same category with Luck shows your stupidity.

Discuss Thrower · 10-31-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jkw87

You're an idiot if you think they would have passed on Luck if we'd had the opportunity. Throwing Geno into the same category with Luck shows your stupidity.

No first round QBs since Blackledge in 1983.
No second round QBs since Matt Bludnin 1992.
Brodie Croyle in the 3rd round in 2006.
Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997.
Aaron Murray and Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2014 and 2011 respectively.

There's all the evidence in the world that if the gun was put to any given Chiefs' GM's head, he doesn't select a QB.

Because that gun is being held by a member of the Hunt family, and they believe a high round QB is too risky.

Marcellus · 10-31-2014, 01:09 PM

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The same idiots here are going to attempt to claim that Clark "won't allow" his very high paid hand picked coach and GM to draft a QB if they wanted to.

And bingo.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

No first round QBs since Blackledge in 1983.
No second round QBs since Matt Bludnin 1992.
Brodie Croyle in the 3rd round in 2006.
Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997.
Aaron Murray and Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2014 and 2011 respectively.

There's all the evidence in the world that if the gun was put to any given Chiefs' GM's head, he doesn't select a QB.

Because that gun is being held by a member of the Hunt family, and they believe a high round QB is too risky.

keg in kc · 10-30-2014, 09:03 PM

This article would make more sense if the Jets had taken Geno in the first round rather than the second. That pick was not New York making some "bold move". They had not one but two chances to take him early, and went for Milliner and Sheldon Richardson instead. So it was pretty clear they weren't all that high on Smith. He happened to fall to the second and they took a flyer.

Maybe the lesson we should take from the Jets, even if it hasn't worked for them yet, is to keep trying. Although maybe the Chiefs already are, picking up Bray and then Murray.

Chief Roundup · 10-30-2014, 09:22 PM

Chiefs4TheWin · 10-30-2014, 09:29 PM

So the Jets bet the farm, and get to 2 AFC championship games. We "play it safe" and lose to the frackin Ravens in Arrowhead.

Not sure what this piece is trying to prove. We have had no better luck with Smith than we have with Cassel. Suck it out a year, Make playoffs once our sched. goes to Cleveland and Jacksonville. Suck it out another year or 2. Make playoffs when our Sched goes back to Cleveland and Jacksonville. We get hope. They get crushed.. Rinse repeat till I'm 72. Win Superbowl 99

If we make the playoffs this year it's a bit of a better sign, we at least had some form of competition. If we make it we deserve it, but we gotta win a damn playoff game. If we make the playoffs this year at least Smith an the coaching staff is an improvement in my estimation.

I wanna win more than anything, but it's just the same crap over and over. I wanna break the cycle.

Coochie liquor · 10-31-2014, 04:22 AM

God forbid a new regime addressed their qb position with a proven NFL qb, vs drafting a walking shit storm of a qb in their first draft. Because yeah, Reid doesn't have a history of drafting qbs even if he has one. I swear reading comprehension is horrible on here. We should have drafted a qb that most decent teams could see there were problems with instead of trading for one who knows how to win in the NFL. When the right qb comes along and is sitting in a position to draft I feel confidant they will draft him. But I don't want them to draft one just to make a bunch of dumbass fans happy they finally took one in the first round when he's gonna suck much like Geno has! Some people are actually good and get paid for scouting talent (Dorsey) while others are better suited for running the fryer at McDonalds (most of CP)

jd1020 · 10-31-2014, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

God forbid a new regime addressed their qb position with a proven NFL qb, vs drafting a walking shit storm of a qb in their first draft. Because yeah, Reid doesn't have a history of drafting qbs even if he has one. I swear reading comprehension is horrible on here. We should have drafted a qb that most decent teams could see there were problems with instead of trading for one who knows how to win in the NFL. When the right qb comes along and is sitting in a position to draft I feel confidant they will draft him. But I don't want them to draft one just to make a bunch of dumbass fans happy they finally took one in the first round when he's gonna suck much like Geno has! Some people are actually good and get paid for scouting talent (Dorsey) while others are better suited for running the fryer at McDonalds (most of CP)

Every time someone mentions Alex as a QB who knows how to win when he's got 1 playoff win in 10 years I throw up in my mouth.

ThaVirus · 10-31-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Every time someone mentions Alex as a QB who knows how to win when he's got 1 playoff win in 10 years I throw up in my mouth.

"Well he had shitty coaches and talent around him for his first 5 seasons!"

"He was one muffed punt away from the Super Bowl!"

"He played well enough to win last year in Indy!"

Apparently all those shoulda, coulda, wouldas count as playoff wins.

**Bearcat** · 10-31-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

"Well he had shitty coaches and talent around him for his first 5 seasons!"

"He was one muffed punt away from the Super Bowl!"

"He played well enough to win last year in Indy!"

Apparently all those shoulda, coulda, wouldas count as playoff wins.

Alex Smith has been the victim of circumstance his entire career.
Geno Smith obviously sucks and has no one to blame but himself.

Facts.

Marcellus · 10-31-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

"Well he had shitty coaches and talent around him for his first 5 seasons!"

"He was one muffed punt away from the Super Bowl!"

"He played well enough to win last year in Indy!"

Apparently all those shoulda, coulda, wouldas count as playoff wins.

Or you could just call them the facts.

Playoff wins or not, they are facts.

ThaVirus · 10-31-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Or you could just call them the facts.

Playoff wins or not, they are facts.

I like to think of myself as a rational guy when it comes to Alex. I probably come off as a detractor but it's really only because he's my QB and I hold him to a high standard.

We've already dispelled the notion that he was just a muffed punt away from a Super Bowl, and he played well in Indy but didn't turn in a complete game. People like to rag on Bowe for not getting his foot down but if you want to go that far the pass was NOT perfect. It was thrown a hit behind, causing Bowe to have to slow up and allowing the defender a chance to make a play on the ball. Not to mention the fact that we had three downs prior to that play to get the 1st and he couldn't get the job done.

**Bearcat** · 10-31-2014, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

God forbid a new regime addressed their qb position with a proven NFL qb, vs drafting a walking shit storm of a qb in their first draft. Because yeah, Reid doesn't have a history of drafting qbs even if he has one. I swear reading comprehension is horrible on here. We should have drafted a qb that most decent teams could see there were problems with instead of trading for one who knows how to win in the NFL. When the right qb comes along and is sitting in a position to draft I feel confidant they will draft him. But I don't want them to draft one just to make a bunch of dumbass fans happy they finally took one in the first round when he's gonna suck much like Geno has! Some people are actually good and get paid for scouting talent (Dorsey) while others are better suited for running the fryer at McDonalds (most of CP)

(insert same old arguments from the past 4000 times it's been discussed)

Black and white argument!

(insert same old arguments from the past 4001 times it's been discussed, but worded slightly differently)

Hyperbole!

(insert same old argument from the past 4002 times it's been discussed, but very sarcastically)

Personal attack!

(insert that one gif of Matt Cassel trying to put on his cap, for no apparent reason)

Carlota69 · 10-31-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

(insert same old arguments from the past 4000 times it's been discussed)

Black and white argument!

(insert same old arguments from the past 4001 times it's been discussed, but worded slightly differently)

Hyperbole!

(insert same old argument from the past 4002 times it's been discussed, but very sarcastically)

Personal attack!

(insert that one gif of Matt Cassel trying to put on his cap, for no apparent reason)

10-30-2014, 09:03 PM	#5
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Chiefs4TheWin Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Casino cash: $1172783	So the Jets bet the farm, and get to 2 AFC championship games. We "play it safe" and lose to the frackin Ravens in Arrowhead. Not sure what this piece is trying to prove. We have had no better luck with Smith than we have with Cassel. Suck it out a year, Make playoffs once our sched. goes to Cleveland and Jacksonville. Suck it out another year or 2. Make playoffs when our Sched goes back to Cleveland and Jacksonville. We get hope. They get crushed.. Rinse repeat till I'm 72. Win Superbowl 99 If we make the playoffs this year it's a bit of a better sign, we at least had some form of competition. If we make it we deserve it, but we gotta win a damn playoff game. If we make the playoffs this year at least Smith an the coaching staff is an improvement in my estimation. I wanna win more than anything, but it's just the same crap over and over. I wanna break the cycle.
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10-31-2014, 04:22 AM	#8
Coochie liquor Bolton gonna knock you out Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: They Freed Kartel!! Casino cash: $-1027606	God forbid a new regime addressed their qb position with a proven NFL qb, vs drafting a walking shit storm of a qb in their first draft. Because yeah, Reid doesn't have a history of drafting qbs even if he has one. I swear reading comprehension is horrible on here. We should have drafted a qb that most decent teams could see there were problems with instead of trading for one who knows how to win in the NFL. When the right qb comes along and is sitting in a position to draft I feel confidant they will draft him. But I don't want them to draft one just to make a bunch of dumbass fans happy they finally took one in the first round when he's gonna suck much like Geno has! Some people are actually good and get paid for scouting talent (Dorsey) while others are better suited for running the fryer at McDonalds (most of CP) __________________ 2025 Adopt a Chief - Travis “Swifty Slayer” Kelce The Travis Kelce farewell tour SB MVP incoming!
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