HEY SORTER!! (and SULLY)

[Sully]

The computer I'm on isn't showing those images, so I can't see specifically.

YOFF would mean the TE is off the LoS.

This defense is, essentially, what I would call a 20 defense (in my terminology, this is the fisrt number is the technique to the strong side, the last number to the weak side, so 20 would mean a 2 and a 0 shade).

The U/H refers to the fullback/H-Back (or any player who is "in" for that guy).
Here's where it might get a little involved
"Under vs U/H removed to open side (or YOFF)"
-This means if the fullback/H-back moves to a slot position away from the TE, the defense goes from a 20, to a 03, which is called "under" (essentially the defense Pendergast ran when he was our DC). If you look at the "Twin" slide, that shows the change in DL alignment.

Ed is the DE to the strong side. Rush is Hali, and S is the OLB opposite the Ed. What the defense does is, if they go to an under front, make sure to put the Ed over the TE (in a 6 tech) so that he isn't hooked (blocked down), and so the SLB can have inside leverage on the #2 receiver.

[Sully]

I can't tell what "Rush" vs empty means, other than maybe telling the Rush backer he's on an automatic go in an empty set.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Sully

I can't tell what "Rush" vs empty means, other than maybe telling the Rush backer he's on an automatic go in an empty set.

I'm still struggling with this, because the Rush backer is going vs every front, so I don't know what the check rush or check Ed means.

Oh, I think it widens his alignment, the more I look at it.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Sully

I'm still struggling with this, because the Rush backer is going vs every front, so I don't know what the check rush or check Ed means.

Oh, I think it widens his alignment, the more I look at it.

Check rush means when they get empty, they align with 2 3-techs, 9 closed, 7 open (assume Y on). Sam is walked out on #2 closed and $ is walked out on #2 open. Coverage changed to Trey.


I'll post the screencaps from the playbook later tonight. For all the hate the Ryan brothers get, they make a very friendly install.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Sully

I'm still struggling with this, because the Rush backer is going vs every front, so I don't know what the check rush or check Ed means.

Oh, I think it widens his alignment, the more I look at it.

Okay, here's the full Reduce install with all of the checks vs. motion/alignments



The check Ed is a check to their over ed front. The trips box in the bottom left should clarify things a bit.

[Sully]

"Pack checks 'box' to Bunch"

Bunch is when three receivers all line up right near each other.
You know when this happens, one guy is going to run some sort of in route, one guy is going to run some sort of out route, and one guy will run something in the middle. So it's just a zone check that, tells the CB he keeps everything in front of him, and looks for the deep runner, the S backer gets to the flat, and looks for the first route coming outside, and the Safety to that side gets the deepest in cutter. The Mike is probably walling (looking for any crosser).

[Sully]

I wasn't even looking at the interior guys
Thanks

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Back to this one. Concerning the defense.

C = Cornerback?
$ = Safety? If so, is there a way to tell strong or free? Or does not apply?
N = Nose Tackle?
S = ?
E = ?
T = ?
M = ?
W = ?
R = ?

Could you imagine having to "dummy down" a playbook for me? Probably would have to come up with a more accurate term than dummy.

Dinny

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

Back to this one. Concerning the defense.

C = Cornerback
$ = Safety. No free or strong.
N = Nose Tackle
S = Sam
E = End
T = Tackle
M = Mike
W = Will
R = Rush
N= Nickel player
D=Dime player
Could you imagine having to "dummy down" a playbook for me? Probably would have to come up with a more accurate term than dummy.

Dinny

There you go.

[Easy 6]

Pretty damn cool thread, I knew Sorter was a guru but didnt know Sully understood the game to this level... I'm learning a lot from this, great idea Dinny.

I know what a "good football player" looks like, but this is upper deck player/coach level information that I've never understood at all really, many thanks to all involved.

This thing should be stickied.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Pretty damn cool thread, I knew Sorter was a guru but didnt know Sully understood the game to this level... I'm learning a lot from this, great idea Dinny.

I know what a "good football player" looks like, but this is upper deck player/coach level information that I've never understood at all really, many thanks to all involved.

This thing should be stickied.

Seconded, great ****ing idea dinny.

Thanks to sully and sorter for the lessons

[Discuss Thrower]

I just want to know about the 3-3-6 defense.

[Mother****erJones]

Fantastic thread. I need to study this as well. I need to learn basics also. Like 3-5 and shit lol

[Sully]

So I've been exploring the playbook site that the Jets pb came from (because I'm a playbook nerd).

For a ton of the questions you have, the Baylor 2006 defense is very good at explaining the terminology (although there are a ton of typos... because Baylor).

The first few pages discuss alignment, numbering, coverages and names of formations.
This is all good stuff. When you get to the names of formations, just understand that there are a million different names for each formation. For instance, what the Chiefs calls SLOT, I call Twins, and Baylor calls Twins I.

http://www.footballxos.com/download/...42-Defense.pdf