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Old 06-12-2015, 02:44 PM   #1
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I've read Marvel "What If" comics that were more plausible than Hitler and Stalin being allies.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:39 PM   #2
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The more interesting question is what happened to Patton?

Was the car accident an "accident" or not?

Did it prevent a war?
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:52 PM   #3
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The more interesting question is what happened to Patton?

Was the car accident an "accident" or not?

Did it prevent a war?


Even if Patton wanted a war with the Soviets (which I presume your are talking about), he had already been relieved of his post at Third Army at the time of his accident. Eisenhower certainly didn't want a war with them, nor did Truman.

So, no, his death didn't prevent a war and if he had lived, there wouldn't have been a war.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:54 PM   #4
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Even if Patton wanted a war with the Soviets (which I presume your are talking about), he had already been relieved of his post at Third Army at the time of his accident. Eisenhower certainly didn't want a war with them, nor did Truman.

So, no, his death didn't prevent a war and if he had lived, there wouldn't have been a war.
Cool.

Why was he relieved? End of conflict? Slap another soldier or insult someone?

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Old 06-12-2015, 03:57 PM   #5
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Cool.

Why was he relieved? End of conflict? Slap another soldier or insult someone?

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Going from memory, the final straw was when he compared NAZI members to not being any different than Republicans and Democrats. Just "party members."
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Old 06-12-2015, 04:02 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=Donger;11546360]Going from memory, the final straw was when he compared NAZI members to not being any different than Republicans and Democrats. Just "party
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Old 06-12-2015, 04:21 PM   #7
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Going from memory, the final straw was when he compared NAZI members to not being any different than Republicans and Democrats. Just "party members."
Ouch!
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Old 06-12-2015, 10:53 PM   #8
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Going from memory, the final straw was when he compared NAZI members to not being any different than Republicans and Democrats. Just "party members."
Well...how far off was he, really?
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Old 06-12-2015, 04:01 PM   #9
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Cool.

Why was he relieved? End of conflict? Slap another soldier or insult someone?

Amazing the things one learns on CP!

His increasingly erratic behavior probably hastened his dismissal as military governor and as head of Third Army, but the Army was very rapidly demobilizing anyway.

The conspiracy theories around his death are fairly absurd. He had no power or authority or ability to start a war with the Russians, and had never shown any MacArthur like delusions that he was a separate power, above and not answerable to his commanding officers and the President. MacArthur's delusions were fed in part by his long, LONG tenure away from home, and away from any more senior military officers. Patton never had that.

And, suffice to say, since Ike had punished him for slapping an officer, and then relieved him of Third Army, and since Truman would later dismiss MacArthur, NEITHER would be afraid to dismiss Patton completely from service if they felt it was warranted.
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Old 06-12-2015, 04:27 PM   #10
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A fascinating video. Maybe it should go in DC, but it's history and I think has a wider pool of potentially interested people, so


I posted this to my FB page this past D-Day Anniversary. Truly incredible how many sacrificed their lives.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:18 PM   #11
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:26 PM   #12
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I watched that video, and it had a few interesting tidbits. I knew that Stalingrad was big, but I didn't realize that it was that big.

However, the numbers in this video seem larger than numbers I see elsewhere. The video reports "half a million Nazis died", plus roughly 100,000 POWs. But the numbers in other sources show the figures as being much lower: http://necrometrics.com/battles.htm
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Man, people were sick.

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Yes. Unit 731 is almost unknown in the West but they were the Japanese version of Dr. Mengele. IIRC, their strain of bubonic plague is still killing people in China.
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Yes. Unit 731 is almost unknown in the West but they were the Japanese version of Dr. Mengele. IIRC, their strain of bubonic plague is still killing people in China.
I heard from an aged relative once, now deceased, that in Korea the brutality of the two Korean sides toward each other was shocking even to people who had fought against the Japanese a few years earlier. I don't know as much as I should about Korea, but it sounds like those two sides were just ruthless.
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