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Old 06-16-2015, 10:59 AM   #1
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This is a much bigger deal that Spygate, Deflategate, etc., if it were true.

Actual real-world felonies, actual cyber intrusions, actual people going to prison for those crimes being a distinct possibility.

Aside from that, you have potentially priceless information being stolen about player personnel, trade discussions etc etc.

Outside of actually throwing games, this would be as bad as it gets. Steroids are bad, but that's an individual crime by one player. This could be the biggest scandal since 1919.

Anyone involved should be banned for life.
Agreed. Including the entire Cardinals Franchise..............
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:17 AM   #2
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:18 AM   #3
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Kraft just accepted forfeiture of a 1st round pick, 4th round pick, and $1M because the Patriots did nothing wrong

that's what innocent people do

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Old 06-16-2015, 11:25 AM   #4
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Kraft just accepted forfeiture of a 1st round pick, 4th round pick, and $1M because the Patriots did nothing wrong

that's what innocent people do

yep
I know that's what I'd do! Especially after my buddymish destroyed evidence from the last time we got caught cheating.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:46 AM   #5
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Kraft just accepted forfeiture of a 1st round pick, 4th round pick, and $1M because the Patriots did nothing wrong

that's what innocent people do

yep

Actually, he accepted it because there is really no way to fight it. The teams aren't subject to the collective bargaining agreement, and the bylaws give all power to the commissioner. His options were accept it or go full rogue and bring a lawsuit against Goodell and the League. Basically, the full Al Davis route.

And even then it's not clear how he could win. The NFL bylaws vest all power to adjudicate these types of things to the Commissioner.

Basically, the NFL clubs, long before Kraft or pretty much any of the current owners were involved, gave authority to the Commissioner to decide issues like this. Doesn't matter if any given club doesn't like it or not, there's very little recourse for them.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:30 AM   #6
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:05 PM   #7
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:33 AM   #8
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Very odd to "hack" the system of a non rival, non division team. Like has been mentioned some idiot probably had the password and used it without higher level consent or knowledge.

Ridiculous shit and going to look bad regardless.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:37 AM   #9
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Very odd to "hack" the system of a non rival, non division team. Like has been mentioned some idiot probably had the password and used it without higher level consent or knowledge.

Ridiculous shit and going to look bad regardless.
Maybe, but it also could have just been the one team with a formal Cardinals exec with bad password security.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:38 AM   #10
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Very odd to "hack" the system of a non rival, non division team. Like has been mentioned some idiot probably had the password and used it without higher level consent or knowledge.

Ridiculous shit and going to look bad regardless.
Not really that odd, when you consider how much the front offices dislike each other.

The teams may not really be rivals anymore, but the people working in the front offices certainly are.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:35 AM   #11
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:40 AM   #12
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Who's to say they didn't do something similar with other teams, too?

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Old 06-16-2015, 11:41 AM   #13
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Who's to say they didn't do something similar with other teams, too?

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Could be, if this was authorized on a remotely high level. The difference would be opportunity, I would think.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:43 AM   #14
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Who's to say they didn't do something similar with other teams, too?

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Well, unless other teams have former cardinal executives who don't change their passwords and put information on an extremely vulnerable platform, I'd say it's highly unlikely.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:59 AM   #15
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Who's to say they didn't do something similar with other teams, too?

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Did you see how they got in?

They literally used the list of his past passwords to access his system. Because of his experience with the Cards, they'd have probably been able to find whatever external server he housed in on pretty easily. This looks like they just logged into a cloud-based system.

This wouldn't be applicable to any other team. The only other possibility would be Oakland where their former director of scouting, Dan Kantrovitz, is now the assistant GM. I'm pretty sure Dan Kantrovitz isn't controlling Billy Beane's player procurement software.
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