Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 13

chiefzilla1501 · 07-22-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

There was plenty of praise to spread around in the first half and early third quarter when the defense was playing lights out and repeatedly putting the offense in favorable scoring situations. That lead was built on both sides of the ball. And then it was lost on both sides of the ball. The team as a whole did not do enough to win. One stop on defense. One sustained drive on offense. Either would have changed the outcome. Neither happened. Question degrees of blame however much you want, but everybody blew it.

I disagree. The HUGE difference between the good Chiefs last year and the bad Chiefs is largely related to QB play.

The offense was converting close to 50% of their 3rd downs during their good streak. They were converting something like 30% when they were terrible. I can handle Smith's game management if he extends drives. In the first half of 2013 (despite the winning record) and in the beginning/end of 2014, he was outright terrible at this.

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I disagree. The HUGE difference between the good Chiefs last year and the bad Chiefs is largely related to QB play.

The offense was converting close to 50% of their 3rd downs during their good streak. They were converting something like 30% when they were terrible. I can handle Smith's game management if he extends drives. In the first half of 2013 (despite the winning record) and in the beginning/end of 2014, he was outright terrible at this.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-22-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

It's pretty amazing how the same offensive line that sucked in the beginning of 2013 improved at the end of 2013. And those same offensive linemen then really, really sucked in the beginning of 2014. Then got better. Then sucked again at the end of the year.

No mention that at the end of 2013, Smith played more aggressively and actually took shots downfield. No mention of the fact that at the end of 2014, teams were blitzing the shit out of him because he never picked up the blitz or hot read. Sure, it would be nice to have an OL that can cover up for the QB. But the QB has to do his part to make he OL better too.

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's pretty amazing how the same offensive line that sucked in the beginning of 2013 improved at the end of 2013. And those same offensive linemen then really, really sucked in the beginning of 2014. Then got better. Then sucked again at the end of the year.

No mention that at the end of 2013, Smith played more aggressively and actually took shots downfield. No mention of the fact that at the end of 2014, teams were blitzing the shit out of him because he never picked up the blitz or hot read. Sure, it would be nice to have an OL that can cover up for the QB. But the QB has to do his part to make he OL better too.

You don't know what you are talking about.
Smith isn't the be all and end all when talking about the offense and results.

Sorter · 07-22-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

So McGlynn is actually pretty good?
Eric Fisher is a Pro Bowler?

**RealSNR** · 07-22-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

Watch out, Sorter. That dude loves Alex Smith more than dolphins love rape.

It's life or death with him.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-22-2015, 04:59 PM

Alex can't improvise outside of the called play whatsoever.

If he were an actor, he'd be an extra.

**BossChief** · 07-22-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Alex can't improvise outside of the called play whatsoever.

If he were an actor, he'd be an extra.

Then why was the the second highest rated passer against the blitz?

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Then why was the the second highest rated passer against the blitz?

My guess is because the offense was set up for the quick pass to begin with. Also Smith is experienced and might see it coming and throws it or he gets sacked or he avoids the rush and then throws it or runs or is sacked. Rarely throws it to the other team.

But that can't be it. Smith isn't any good. He doesn't do anything real QB stuff well.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-23-2015, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Then why was the the second highest rated passer against the blitz?

Last year?

Discuss Thrower · 07-22-2015, 06:57 PM

You having nothing more than a roffle emoticon to say in response to Sorter speaks volumes about your football acumen.

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You having nothing more than a roffle emoticon to say in response to Sorter speaks volumes about your football acumen.

Earth to suckup!

I posted info and the guy you defend responds with nothing + an insult.

He is trying to claim the O-Line wasn't bottom 5. THAT speaks volumes about football acumen.

It's part of the reerunation that has infested this place that everything somehow has to be about Alex Smith isn't a top 10 QB.

Just Passin' By · 07-22-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Earth to suckup!

I posted info and the guy you defend responds with nothing + an insult.

He is trying to claim the O-Line wasn't bottom 5. THAT speaks volumes about football acumen.

It's part of the reerunation that has invested this place that everything somehow has to be about Alex Smith isn't a top 10 QB.

The 'info' you posted is pretty much meaningless without the context requested by Sorter, so your responses to him after that just make you look like an asshole.

Also, his response to your post with the 'info' was not an insult to you. It was an accurate observation about PFF, which is a steaming pile of shit.

ViperVisor · 07-22-2015, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The 'info' you posted is pretty much meaningless without the context requested by Sorter, so your responses to him after that just make you look like an asshole.

Also, his response to your post with the 'info' was not an insult to you. It was an accurate observation about PFF, which is a steaming pile of shit.

Nonsense.

You can't read. you Alex Smith cock-gobbling psychopath,

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