Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

Yes. The D isn't going to win the games in a vacuum. Above average QB play absolutely makes this a 10-12 game winner.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.

I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

If Alex is no better a QB with a better record, the D is no better a squad with a better record.

Mentally broken units simultaneously resolve their mental problems in the blink of an eye, but a mentally broken QB is FOREVER!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

So you ignored everything I said there and simply parroted your same bullshit?

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

If Alex is no better a QB with a better record, the D is no better a squad with a better record.

Mentally broken units simultaneously resolve their mental problems in the blink of an eye, but a mentally broken QB is FOREVER!!

Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality

[KC_Lee]

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year;

- Too many changes a offensive coordinator; he's had the same coaching staff for the past 3 years, his HC is the man that brought him to KC

- Not enough tools around him; he's had arguably the best all around RB in his backfield and a young and up and coming TE for the past 2 years, now he can't even get the ball to his #1 WR

- The offensive system he plays in does not suit his style; this offensive system is supposed to play to his "strengths" and he can even operate this system effectively

All of Smith's excuses fall flat. When you go into MN and hold AP to less than 100 yards and MN only scores 16 points you have to be a total dumb ass not to walk out without a win. But KC and our vaunted QB did just that, pissed away another opportunity to get out with a win based on the lack of quality QB play..

[TEX]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year;

- Too many changes a offensive coordinator; he's had the same coaching staff for the past 3 years, his HC is the man that brought him to KC

- Not enough tools around him; he's had arguably the best all around RB in his backfield and a young and up and coming TE for the past 2 years, now he can't even get the ball to his #1 WR

- The offensive system he plays in does not suit his style; this offensive system is supposed to play to his "strengths" and he can even operate this system effectively

All of Smith's excuses fall flat. When you go into MN and hold AP to less than 100 yards and MN only scores 16 points you have to be a total dumb ass not to walk out without a win. But KC and our vaunted QB did just that, pissed away another opportunity to get out with a win based on the lack of quality QB play..

Smith does suck, but no mention of the worst OL in football going on two seasons now. Better fix it before you get another QB. Until then, keep lining Smith up behind it. Cant do anymore damage. Dude is beyond repair.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year

Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.

That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, the jump from legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.

I think most people agree with this but QB is the number one issue we should be trying to fix next year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, the jump from legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.

Plenty of qbs could have made last year's team a contender. And while the defense has been bad this year, they've been good enough for a top 10 QB to win games.

Fixing the QB solves a shitload of problems. It makes receivers better. It opens up the running game. It lets the defense off the field when your offense isn't constantly going three and out. And a true QB can read the blitzBlitz, adjust the protections, and get rid of the ball quickly to improve the ol. Not to mention a defense can play better when the opponent is pressing to score.

Do we really have that many issues? I'd say consistently strong defensive and offensive playcalling with a new QB fixes a shitload of our problems.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, the jump from legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.

Have to startwith Reid. If Reid still is here the QB makes zero difference

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Have to startwith Reid. If Reid still is here the QB makes zero difference

I disagree. A good QB can start to over come the suck of Reid, and a great QB will outlast his sorry ass.

Pull...

that...

trigger.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.

#1 and #2 are the SAME ****ING THING he had the past two seasons.

The defensive woes are also inexplicable considering the vast improvement on the defensive line. I don't see it as being ALL 100% on slowdowns by Hali and Johnson. Definitely miscues in the secondary and a lack of depth after Gaines went down, but honestly, you can't EXPECT a team to go 4 and 5 deep at CB where the #4 and #5 guys play like #1 and #2 guys.

It's Alex. How can you not ****ing notice his awful play this year and how he brings the entire offense down? Just ****ing LOOK AT HIM