Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

The whole throwing short of the sticks on third down crowd is maddening.

The defense is playing to the first down marker. It's not an abysmal thing throwing short

Except that we statistically do this at a significantly higher rate than most teams do. And our 3rd down conversion rate has, apart from our 7-1 stretch last year, been a horrific 30% or lower.

[Mother****erJones]

I'm in on the Joe Thomas trade but wonder what they want.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

I'm in on the Joe Thomas trade but wonder what they want.

Alex Smith.














What?
A man can dream.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by milkman

Alex Smith.








What?
A man can dream.

3rd for JT?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by milkman

Alex Smith.
What?
A man can dream.

LOL Amen !

[-King-]

This is idiotic. Getting Joe Thomas doesn't stop us from getting anybody or, hell, even drafting a quarterback any year. I don't understand why you wouldn't improve an important position for the next 4-5 years and work on the rest of the team including a QB in the meantime.

If this team is going to stick with Smith, ok, lets try to get him all the help we can cause he needs it. If this team is going to get a new QB next year or 2 years from now, cool, then he doesn't come in to a team that allows 60 sacks per year. What's the problem?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

This is idiotic. Getting Joe Thomas doesn't stop us from getting anybody or, hell, even drafting a quarterback any year. I don't understand why you wouldn't improve an important position for the next 4-5 years and work on the rest of the team including a QB in the meantime.

If we're talking about any other team, sure. What makes people nervous is that a stellar cast props up Alex Smith's play (while not really fixing his weaknesses) and the Chiefs use a 9-7 team as proof that the QB position is fine. If your last sentence is true, then I'm all in. But we've been burned way too many times before on this.

If this team is going to stick with Smith, ok, lets try to get him all the help we can cause he needs it. If this team is going to get a new QB next year or 2 years from now, cool, then he doesn't come in to a team that allows 60 sacks per year. What's the problem?

If the team is going to stick with Smith, then you need the defense to carry him. And to close games that he can't finish. Again... I'm all in if the Chiefs do the smart thing and bring in legit competition at QB.

[O.city]

They need to just keep fisher at LT and hope he develops into the next Joe thomas

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by O.city

They need to just keep fisher at LT and hope he develops into the next Joe thomas

[-King-]

So a stellar cast would prop up AS's play. But you've spent this whole thread talking about how Alex wouldn't improve even with a stellar cast.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

So a stellar cast would prop up AS's play. But you've spent this whole thread talking about how Alex wouldn't improve even with a stellar cast.

I've said all thread long... Lipstick on a pig. Of course Alex would improve. But his fundamental weaknesses wouldn't change.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've said all thread long... Lipstick on a pig. Of course Alex would improve. But his fundamental weaknesses wouldn't change.

Those weaknesses wouldn't be so magnified if we weren't put in shitty positions drive after drive. If you have a QB that isn't aggressive, don't you think keeping him out of 3rd and long situations is important?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by -King-

So a stellar cast would prop up AS's play. But you've spent this whole thread talking about how Alex wouldn't improve even with a stellar cast.

A stellar cast would improve the team, . . . until they lost, . . . clearly solely due to Alex's mother's failure to dip her entire son in the river Styx as an infant.

[NJChiefsFan]

I trust that Dorsey sees what Smith really is. Right or wrong, that's what I am going with so I don't lose my mind. I think they get a QB and let Smith play next year.

Either way, discussing the Chiefs avoiding talent is pointless. If you are Dorsey you get what you can if you feel it's not giving up too much. He is going to want to help either Alex or the next QB, or both. The Chiefs aren't going to intentionally avoid talent(even if it seems that way at times) so hypothetically discussing it is going to drive us all nuts.

Not to mention that I want the next QB to come in with as good a line as possible. Blowing it up so we can start over AFTER we get a QB is asking for trouble.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I trust that Dorsey sees what Smith really is. Right or wrong, that's what I am going with so I don't lose my mind. I think they get a QB and let Smith play next year.

Either way, discussing the Chiefs avoiding talent is pointless. If you are Dorsey you get what you can if you feel it's not giving up too much. He is going to want to help either Alex or the next QB, or both. The Chiefs aren't going to intentionally avoid talent(even if it seems that way at times) so hypothetically discussing it is going to drive us all nuts.

Not to mention that I want the next QB to come in with as good a line as possible. Blowing it up so we can start over AFTER we get a QB is asking for trouble.

Pretty much where I am.

A little pissed it took Reid 1/3 of a season to get the team's mind right after the Denver game.