Who's your dark horse?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Andy Reid likes an explosive offense. Explosive offenses, they all have that quality slot. I'm not talking about just a good player, I'm talking about a slot receiver that leads the team in receptions or is at least in second place. You look at Green Bay with the ascent of Randall Cobb, you look at the Emmanuel Sanders, and so on. If you can make your offense that much more dynamic, as a playoff caliber team, then why not do it?

This isn't a team with "needs" as much as it is one with opportunities to strengthen units. The Chiefs have 3 corners that can step in day 1 and play. The Chiefs pretty much have a day 1 ready defense. The biggest hole is maybe at OG, so do you take Cody Whitehair in one? Or, do you make yourself more explosive as a team and worry about guard later?

That's kind of the deal with WR early, be more explosive offensively and quit trying to be "just good enough." We saw what "just good enough" got the Chiefs. The Patriots acquired a top-level tight end even though they already had one, they made themselves more dynamic. You never stop trying to make a team better.

For all the arguments for a CB in round 1 from this board, it sure gets stupid around here about WRs. You have Peters, Gaines, and Nelson at CB. How is that worse than Maclin, Wilson, Conley at WR? The truth is, it isn't. Just as much as a 1st round CB can make the defensive backfield better, so too can a WR make that group better. Neither group needs a starter, but a better option than currently in place strengthens the unit.

While I think Alex Smith has improved as a QB who looks downfield, as long as he's the QB, this offense will not be explosive.
If you're investing draft resources to improve the offense, I'd start at O-Line to improve protection, which would improve efficiency, which is Smith's strength.

This team is going to win with an offense that supports the defense.

That is why improving the quality of corners is more imperative than reciever, IMO.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Going to add one maybe people don't expect to fall, but I do. Corey Coleman. Some insane talent at D-line and some expected moving and shaking in the first round could push several receivers down further than expected.

I think the receiver run starts with Houston at 22 and arguably Washington and maybe Indy nab the first receiver off the board. Minny and Cincy have needs at WR so I could see the likes of Treadwell, Fuller, Doctson and Coleman all being gone by pick 24/25.

I actually think it is the DL talent which will drop along with some linebackers. There are some enigmas with regards to scheme fit and some guys are tough evaluations:
Ragland, Floyd, Lawson, Nkemdiche, Lee, Robinson and Reed could arguably land anywhere from pick 9 to pick 45.....

[O.city]

Wilson has had a few missed big plays, but he's also had some big catches and has shown to be a good RAC wr in this system. I think you're a little low on him, think he has a good year this year.

I think he needs to be in the slot and in the DAT role a little more though. Conley or whoever else they add, needs to become the 2 outside. I'd think Conley is the heir apparent with what they had in Philly with Desean and Maclin. Maclin at the Z with Conley at the X running those deep posts and deep routes seems nice.

But I do think crow is on to something. They're ok for the most part for starters, but they need to look at areas they can upgrade. Unless one of the big corners fall to them or they trade up for one, I'd start looking purely BPA in the first.

They've got multiple picks to fill some holes later in the draft, they can swing for a guy early.

[O.city]

So while Coleman is a good idea, I'd counter that Braxton MIller could come in and play that slot/Edelman type role and be really successful for the Chiefs from day 1.

[O.city]

Take Alexander and go about my business

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

There have been explosive offenses win superbowls recently as well. Last year's pats, the broncos had a top 5 offense of all time make it to the superbowl.

Not the chiefs will never be a rodgers run explosive offense, but they have to have more quick strike ability.

I think that's the next step this season.

I never said that explosive offenses don't win SBs.
I said that you don't need explosive offense to win.

And quick strike ability is a necessary part of an efficient offense, which is why I noted Smith's improvement in looking downfield.

Originally Posted by O.city

Take Alexander and go about my business

I also wasn't arguing against a receiver.
I was pointing out what I perceive to be the flaw in logic in the post that I initially responded to.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

I never said that explosive offenses don't win SBs.
I said that you don't need explosive offense to win.

And quick strike ability is a necessary part of an efficient offense, which is why I noted Smith's improvement in looking downfield.



I also wasn't arguing against a receiver.
I was pointing out what I perceive to be the flaw in logic in the post that I initially responded to.

I agree, especially with the beginning. There's multiple ways to get it done in the nfl.

However we may feel about smith, I'm sure the front office feels enough weapons around him can allow him to succeed.

[kccrow]

Respectable opinions and thoughts guys. I take one note with milkman's last post that I think hits the nail on what I meant by "explosive," when he states "quick strike ability is a necessary part of an efficient offense." That element, that quick strike ability, is what the Chiefs have been missing. They haven't really struck fear into teams yet. You need that "other guy" that can take it to the house on any given play. That's the type of player Coleman is, or a Will Fuller, Braxton Miller, etc. You have to have multiple play makers IMO. The Chiefs have a good run game, they have a good #1, and they have a good TE. It's time to add that guy that keeps defenses from loading the box and rolling double coverage on Maclin. That's my take, anyhow.

It doesn't have to happen in round 1, but I think it should be a priority pick.

[BlackOp]

Spence or Whitehead in the 1st. Houston will miss time...and this is Hali's last season. Whitehead can play multiple positions in case of injury. That's an important trait in a 19 game season....who is the back-up LT? Dorsey will go for functional value @ 28.

[Hoover]

1. I trust John Dorsey. He's been incredible.
2. I expect the Chiefs to draft a DB in this draft in round one. Some DB Dorsey has a top 15 grade on will be there. Probably a CB, could also see Vonn Bell.
3. As for my dark horse, I'm going with a big fatty. Either some OT or there is a guard that they are in love with. Fisher is entering his final year/years. And we all know how Dorsey like to draft with an eye to the future. So my DARK HORSE is Joshua Garnett, G Stanford. This kid has 10 years written all over him in the NFL. Plug and Play!

[Bowser]

I'm sold we will take a DB
- Artie Burns
- Vonn Bell
- Alexander

We might take a guard
- Whitehair
- Garnett

We could take a pass rusher/OLB
- Kamalel Correa
- Leonard Floyd
- Su'a Cravens

We might take one of the receivers if they tumble down the board
- Corey Coleman
- Josh Doctson
- Will Fuller


Not sure how big of a dark horse any of those picks are, but I feel that one of them will be the pick.

[O.city]

I agree accept I don't think pass rusher will be an option

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

I agree accept I don't think pass rusher will be an option

I except this as an answer

[O.city]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I except this as an answer

It's Monday morning jason. I've had a cup of coffee aND al ready seen 3 whackadoo assholes in my chair. Don't start that shit

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's Monday morning jason. I've had a cup of coffee aND al ready seen 3 whackadoo assholes in my chair. Don't start that shit

Mmmmm, Monday Morning Yuckmouth