NBA Off-season 2016 thread

[Miles]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

He is still a big name and productive last year so the cost really isn't bad in current cap environment at all for only two years. Somewhat surprised Miami let him go unless Wade chose to leave for similar money. He did get a player option for year two shifting old guy risk to team.

Spacing will be an issue paired with Rondo but seems like they moved things around relatively well given where they started.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

I'm not sure a 35 year old guy with a ton of mileage on the legs is going to have as much influence on recruiting a young superstar as you think. The move seems odd to me. The Bulls aren't in a position to win now, yet blew their wad on a guy who gives you a 2-3 year window at best

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

This is exactly what they're doing and I love it. Wade has serious pull in this league with guys. CP3 is close with him. This is a bridge season to a big offseason spending spree next year. Should help the aura of the Bulls now going forward with stars in this league.

[mcaj22]

McBuckets is going to shoot a ton of open 3s for the Bulls this year

[DJ's left nut]

I actually like the Calderon pickup for the Lakers.

They needed a backup PG and the market probably demands a multi-year deal in FA. The Lakers get an expiring deal that's about market in terms of AAV for a guy with the range that Calderon has. They get themselves up past the spending floor without jeopardizing any cap space for next season and in the process they got a couple of second round picks for their trouble.

Nice little deal. The NBA has essentially become Golden State, Cleveland and the NBDL at this point so it's not like there are any homerun signings to be made at the moment. This could pay some long-term dividends for them if either of those picks turn into even rotational players for them (and huge dividends if you end up with another Clarkson or Beverley).

[mcaj22]

wonder if the Heat match that gross Nets offer sheet to Tyler Johnson for 50 million

I guess it would make sense to keep a young nucleus of Johnson-Winslow-Whiteside together


they literally have nobody else on the roster worth a crap. Assuming they never clear Bosh to get that space back.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

wonder if the Heat match that gross Nets offer sheet to Tyler Johnson for 50 million

I guess it would make sense to keep a young nucleus of Johnson-Winslow-Whiteside together


they literally have nobody else on the roster worth a crap. Assuming they never clear Bosh to get that space back.

Holy shit. Tyler Johnson got essentially the same deal that Jordan Clarkson did.

Man...am I missing something here? Tyler Johnson's an 8th man, is he not?

There's no way the Heat match that deal, not if the Wade decision was made with an eye on long-term financial flexibility. They'll let him walk and almost certainly be better off for it.

It's a good damn thing the Lakers locked Clarkson up quickly because there's no question he'd be a more appealing get that Tyler Johnson.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Holy shit. Tyler Johnson got essentially the same deal that Jordan Clarkson did.

Man...am I missing something here? Tyler Johnson's an 8th man, is he not?

There's no way the Heat match that deal, not if the Wade decision was made with an eye on long-term financial flexibility. They'll let him walk and almost certainly be better off for it.

It's a good damn thing the Lakers locked Clarkson up quickly because there's no question he'd be a more appealing get that Tyler Johnson.

Nets had/have(?) a lot of money to spend lol

[FloridaMan88]

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

Loyalty does not exist in pro sports, even if it should. This is the right move for the Heat, because they are a second round team with Wade. They are better off angling for a franchise player in the draft.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

Have we learned nothing from the last 3-4 years?

Teams don't get to eat shit and still get FAs to come to town. Now maybe Riley is actually a wizard and the draw of Miami is stronger than the draw of LA or NY (or X player's hometown team). But then again, maybe Riley just ends up clearing the decks and eating shit like several teams before him have done over the last several years.

In the era of superteams that can all offer roughly approximate $$$, nobody wants to cash a check to suck. Riley's gambling big time here and recent history suggests it's a bit of a fools errand.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Loyalty does not exist in pro sports, even if it should. This is the right move for the Heat, because they are a second round team with Wade. They are better off angling for a franchise player in the draft.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

DJ's post sums up nicely IMO about the loyalty issue. I would be very surprised if they landed another top-tier FA after all this. Of course on the flip side being loyal to Kobe hasn't really help attact top-tier FA's to the Lakers.

Throwing that aside does anyone not think a 35-yr old Dwade is $7-10 million dollars better than ****ing Delladova? cmon man..

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

He won't have to do what he did in Miami and try and carry the team in his late 30s.

Have you seen the Bulls roster?

They have a bunch of guys that can slide between the 2 and 3 position

Jimmy Butler, Tony Snell, Doug McDermott, even Mirotic can play the 3 when they go big. They also drafted Denzel Valentine

Wade can platoon himself with the young shooters on the Bulls because the roster has a ton of position flexibility from it's players besides their defensive center (Lopez).

He can keep himself on a maintenance program in Chicago and most likely stay healthy. The Bulls won't need to ride him into the ground because Bosh is hurt.