Other Sports NBA Off-season 2016 thread - Page 32

mcaj22 · 07-11-2016, 12:34 PM

Garnett the only player left drafted before 98

BigCatDaddy · 07-11-2016, 12:44 PM

In a world of Lebron James and Kevin Durants be a Tim Duncan.

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2016, 09:23 AM

Been watching the summer league and while the Lakers are still going to suck, but they might actually be a fun team to watch develop for the first time in 4 years.

Russell's swagger is going to get him in a bit of trouble, but I suspect time will calm that down. It's easy for him when he's picking on summer leaguers but when he gets back to the real NBA, he's going to realize that he can't play Russell Westbrook's game; he just doesn't have the athleticism for that. I actually think Kyle Lowry may be someone he could/should model his game after.

Nance is fun as well. I mean, he's not good, but he's exciting. He's developing a bit more range and still has outstanding athleticism. While I hope it doesn't happen because Randle's upside is greater, I could see Nance really cutting into his minutes.

Ingram...man that dude is thin but you can see a lot of savvy there. He's not afraid to get into a guy's body, he's just too small to do much when he does. He does a nice job finding spots on the floor and getting his shot off, but so far it's a little off. I do see quite a bit of potential there, but it may take longer than I'd hoped to unlock it. He's not going to go all K-AT on the league this year by any stretch.

It's probably only a 30 win team with maybe a 25-35 win range. But it should be a hell of a lot more competitive and there should be real, sustainable growth here.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 11:49 AM

i have no problem with the Warriors my problem is with the NBA as a whole. There is a complete lack of talent in the sport. I believe if one team can make a super team then more teams should be able to make super teams. The problem is there are way too many overpaid crappy players and there is not enough good players.

ChiefsCountry · 07-13-2016, 12:25 PM

I love how the NBA isn't competitive yet everybody's jacking off the 80s and 90s when only 3 teams essentially won championships.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I love how the NBA isn't competitive yet everybody's jacking off the 80s and 90s when only 3 teams essentially won championships.

from 1980 to 1999 7 teams won championships

from 2000 to 2016 8 teams won championship

WOAH STOP THE PRESSES ONE MORE TEAM IN TODAY'S ERA WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THAN THE 80s/90s OMG NBA IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPETITIVE NOW

yo listen, the only thing that changed is that instead of all the top talent going to Chicago, Lakers, and Boston like the 80s/90s they are going to Golden State, and Cleveland. There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

ChiefsCountry · 07-13-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

Stop the presses, its like that all the time in the NBA. Nothing has changed.

BigCatDaddy · 07-13-2016, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

from 1980 to 1999 7 teams won championships

from 2000 to 2016 8 teams won championship

WOAH STOP THE PRESSES ONE MORE TEAM IN TODAY'S ERA WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THAN THE 80s/90s OMG NBA IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPETITIVE NOW

yo listen, the only thing that changed is that instead of all the top talent going to Chicago, Lakers, and Boston like the 80s/90s they are going to Golden State, and Cleveland. There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

Did the top talent go to Boston, LA, and Chicago or were they drafted and developed? Big difference. I think Parrish might have came in a trade but wasnt great at the time.

Edit NM. He was a 17 and 10 guy when that trade happened.
Magic
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Jordan
Pippen

Hell even the Spurs drafted Parker and Ginobbli late 1st and early 2nd.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Did the top talent go to Boston, LA, and Chicago or were they drafted and developed? Big difference. I think Parrish might have came in a trade but wasnt great at the time.

Edit NM. He was a 17 and 10 guy when that trade happened.
Magic
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Jordan
Pippen

Hell even the Spurs drafted Parker and Ginobbli late 1st and early 2nd.

okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-13-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

You think ChiefsCountry is going to criticize the model that got his team titles?

Fat chance.

And if you think the 80s/90s NBA wasn't 10x more competitive than this product, you clearly didn't watch it back then.

BigCatDaddy · 07-13-2016, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

I didn't know that was your.point but if so I agree. Todays NBA is worse entertainment wise and with parity.

ChiefsCountry · 07-13-2016, 01:52 PM

Lakers bought a dynasty by signing Shaq. Whoever has the top player is going to win in the NBA. It's the most star driven sport in the world. One or two teams are always going to be the favorites most years and it has always been that way, especially when the top player is in his prime.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 02:12 PM

yea but the late 80s and early 90s might have had the same 3 teams winning all the time but the league was filled with future hall of famers.

Every player on the 1992 Dream Team is a hall of famer but one (Laettner) and they were distributed out to 9 NBA teams.

and that's not even begining to talk about the Hall of Famers that were snubbed from that team (Isiah, Shaq, Rodman, etc)

How many guys on the current USA Olympic team do you think will be hall of famers? Harrison Barnes LOL? DeRozan LOL? Deandre Jordan? LOL (obviously the counter here is that the 6-7 NBA players worth a crap all withdrew, even then you still wouldn't get a full team of hall of famers unless you added the Wades/Dirks at the end of their careers, which I guess would count since that's how Bird got on the 1992 team)

If you have a team that has Jordan/Pippen like the Warriors have with Curry/Durant (and friends), there isn't a team in the league with a Stockton/Malone or a Isiah/Rodman or a Hakeem/Clyde (and friends), or a Shaq/Penny

it's just Lebron and his boys, that's literally it. There is no other market that has a tandem that can even stack up and make it to the finals.

**Mav** · 07-13-2016, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

yea but the late 80s and early 90s might have had the same 3 teams winning all the time but the league was filled with future hall of famers.

Every player on the 1992 Dream Team is a hall of famer but one (Laettner) and they were distributed out to 9 NBA teams.

and that's not even begining to talk about the Hall of Famers that were snubbed from that team (Isiah, Shaq, Rodman, etc)

How many guys on the current USA Olympic team do you think will be hall of famers? Harrison Barnes LOL? DeRozan LOL? Deandre Jordan? LOL

If you have a team that has Jordan/Pippen like the Warriors have with Curry/Durant (and friends), there isn't a team in the league with a Stockton/Malone or a Isiah/Rodman or a Hakeem/Clyde (and friends), or a Shaq/Penny

it's just Lebron and his boys, that's literally it. There is no other market that has a tandem that can even stack up and make it to the finals.

I think Kyrie Lebron is very much on that level of Curry Durant.

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mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

I think Kyrie Lebron is very much on that level of Curry Durant.

Yea I agree

then what's after that

Curry/Durant
Kyrie/Lebron

HUGE GAP

CP3/Blake?

What's after that....

an even bigger gap

Conley/Gasol?
Lowry/Derozan?
Kawhi/Aldridge?
Paul George/Teague?
Lillard/CJ?
Westbrook/Adams?
James Harden/Ryan Anderson (LOL)

whatever's after that would be a laughable joke or is just too young. (Wiggins/Kat, Prozingas/Old Players, Simmons/250 Centers, Russel/Ingram)

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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	i have no problem with the Warriors my problem is with the NBA as a whole. There is a complete lack of talent in the sport. I believe if one team can make a super team then more teams should be able to make super teams. The problem is there are way too many overpaid crappy players and there is not enough good players.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1701248	Lakers bought a dynasty by signing Shaq. Whoever has the top player is going to win in the NBA. It's the most star driven sport in the world. One or two teams are always going to be the favorites most years and it has always been that way, especially when the top player is in his prime.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	yea but the late 80s and early 90s might have had the same 3 teams winning all the time but the league was filled with future hall of famers. Every player on the 1992 Dream Team is a hall of famer but one (Laettner) and they were distributed out to 9 NBA teams. and that's not even begining to talk about the Hall of Famers that were snubbed from that team (Isiah, Shaq, Rodman, etc) How many guys on the current USA Olympic team do you think will be hall of famers? Harrison Barnes LOL? DeRozan LOL? Deandre Jordan? LOL (obviously the counter here is that the 6-7 NBA players worth a crap all withdrew, even then you still wouldn't get a full team of hall of famers unless you added the Wades/Dirks at the end of their careers, which I guess would count since that's how Bird got on the 1992 team) If you have a team that has Jordan/Pippen like the Warriors have with Curry/Durant (and friends), there isn't a team in the league with a Stockton/Malone or a Isiah/Rodman or a Hakeem/Clyde (and friends), or a Shaq/Penny it's just Lebron and his boys, that's literally it. There is no other market that has a tandem that can even stack up and make it to the finals. Last edited by mcaj22; 07-13-2016 at 02:24 PM..
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