Do you Hope Foles Takes over the QB position ?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by rico

The fact that Aaron Rodgers hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2010 is not justification for settling for mediocrity or below.

You managed to contribute nothing useful to address anything in my post. Well done. Deflection, deliberately obtuse, or just cornered rat.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rico

Probably not good because in the words of the great Mike Singletary:

Singletary was a great player, but possibly the worst HC in the history of football. What does a linebacker know about QBs? Not a damn thing as it turned out.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

If anyone "feels like playing this honest game" for perspective, throw other QB names out there, and defend why they couldn't get past their multitude of team injuries and problems.

I'm sure we can find plenty of examples of QBs over the last 10 SB's stepping up, maybe even playing above their average play, to win. In the years where Flacco and Eli won, they had a lot of help. Even a lot of luck. But they also made plays in huge moments that maybe they don't always make. Nobody is asking Alex to drag the Cleveland Browns to the SB or to do it all himself. He has plenty around him, and even if they get injured, it's what he is going to have to do.

I'm not saying I expect Alex to do it all. But the NE game shouldn't be brushed aside as "well we didn't have Maclin or Houston". Smith needs to step up and pick up a little of the slack in that game, along with others. Do you think he did that? Do you think he can do that? Those are fair questions.

Another fair question, do you think KC would be healthy if they went in to NE this year? With how the year has gone, what are the odds that our Oline is intact? Our backfield? Our secondary? Injuries are going to happen. If this team wants to win or at least get to a SB, it will need to overcome injuries against a very good team at some point. Can't keep saying "well we might have won that playoff game if we didn't have injuries". A QB is as important as any other in overcoming them.

The crux of my point is this. IMO Smith will need to step up and make some big plays he typically doesn't if they are going to win in NE, or an AFCCG, or a SB. Odds are we are not going to be fully healthy in the playoffs. Whether it is fair or not really isn't the question. I think he is going to have to. So the question is, can he?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

The crux of my point is this. IMO Smith will need to step up and make some big plays he typically doesn't if they are going to win in NE, or an AFCG, or a SB. Whether it is fair or not really isn't the question. I think he is going to have to. So the question is, can he?

With 4 years of tape to study everyone knows Alex will play safe and throw short until he's forced to go deep.

It's not hard to figure out when he'd be forced to throw deep and when you don't go deep that often you aren't as good at it...

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I'm sure we can find plenty of examples of QBs over the last 10 SB's stepping up, maybe even playing above their average play, to win. In the years where Flacco and Eli won, they had a lot of help. Even a lot of luck. But they also made plays in huge moments that maybe they don't always make.

You mean like the big plays that Smith made vs Indy? Imagine if Bowe had actually tapped that second foot in bounds. One lazy inch mistake, and suddenly the entire portrait looks different, right?

There is so much that doesn't get discussed, and simply becomes generic vagueness when this main crux of discussion takes place. I think the reason is either people understandably don't recall all of the specific moments... or maybe they just don't want to take the time to dig (me, mostly).. or they don't want to face their own hypocrisy.

My overall point was meant to be concise.. and remains. It's unfair to demand that Alex carry a broken/flawed team when even the elite QBs barely can, if at all.

Proven, winning formula = Alex + healthy Mac/Houston (insert other key players) = SuperBowl.

Alex has been present, and accounted for in each contest, and still did well enough with what he had. Did they? obviously not.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Nobody is asking Alex to drag the Cleveland Browns to the SB or to do it all himself. He has plenty around him, and even if they get injured, it's what he is going to have to do.

Again, you are demanding that he do what guys like Rodgers isn't even doing. Is anyone else really doing what you are demanding of him?

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I'm not saying I expect Alex to do it all. But the NE game shouldn't be brushed aside as "well we didn't have Maclin or Houston".

Not brushed aside at all. There's a reason that these players are making FAR more money than the rest. They were expected to help their QB to a SB. I'm not blaming them on a personal level.. people can't help it if they get hurt.. but it still ***** the team right in the ass.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Smith needs to step up and pick up a little of the slack in that game, along with others. Do you think he did that? Do you think he can do that? Those are fair questions.

a little of the slack? no Maclin, Houston, a hobbling Hali.. anyone else I am missing?

Smith had about 300 yards (40'sh rush yds) TD, no picks.. 60% 3rd down conversions.. around 3 yds per carry for their feature back, West... no JC, no Ware.. throwing to Avant Wilson, and Conley as WRs.. in NE.

Yes. I think Alex did what he could do with that.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Another fair question, do you think KC would be healthy if they went in to NE this year? With how the year has gone, what are the odds that our Oline is intact? Our backfield? Our secondary? Injuries are going to happen. If this team wants to win or at least get to a SB, it will need to overcome injuries against a very good team at some point. Can't keep saying "well we might have won that playoff game if we didn't have injuries". A QB is as important as any other in overcoming them.

The crux of my point is this. IMO Smith will need to step up and make some big plays he typically doesn't if they are going to win in NE, or an AFCCG, or a SB. Odds are we are not going to be fully healthy in the playoffs. Whether it is fair or not really isn't the question. I think he is going to have to. So the question is, can he?

I think I have covered everything to the point where anything unanswered can easily be done so with conclusions from the above.

I close in repeating this much...

you are demanding that he do what guys like Rodgers isn't even doing. Is anyone else really doing what you are demanding of him?

and

My overall point was meant to be concise.. and remains. It's unfair to demand that Alex carry a broken/flawed team when even the elite QBs barely can, if at all.

[threebag]

What happened to Dr Peeper

[redfan]

Pole flail.
Needs timeframe.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

After rewatching the Nick Foles highlights on KC Chiefs .com I have to say Foles has that touch on the ball that just makes it easy for the receiver to catch the ball. As much as I like Alex. he just doesn't have that touch. I hope Reid does whats best for the Chiefs. We'll know more after the Jags game.

[Rausch]

I think it's always a good thing to have an effective b/u QB.

On top of that he's still young so there's room for improvement. If we (ever) draft a QB high I think he'd be fine as a place holder for a year or two...

[Otter]

One can only wonder if this thread would have been more appropriate after the game.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Otter

One can only wonder if this thread would have been more appropriate after the game.

I'd prefer a sample size greater than 30 passes to judge if a b/u is better than a 4 year starter.

Just me...

[PutQuinnIn]

Nick Foles is a turnover machine if the line stars breaking down on him. I'd feel safer with Alex at the helm towards the end of season and playoffs.

[NJChiefsFan]

Sacks and turnovers. More so, if he is sitting in the pocket taking sacks looking for the big play, will it cancel out or net a positive outcome. Smith isn't running this year which is hurting the offense. But he still moves around, which both helps extend some plays and also causes him to leave perfectly good pockets. I think this is as interesting a difference to watch as is the deep ball difference today.

[Spott]

It almost depends on who we play. Foles seems to have the bigger potential to put up larger numbers, but his play may make him prone to more turnovers. I tend to think that having a guy like Alex that doesn't turn the ball over much is better against a team like Denver that seems to get a defensive score in every game they win.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Since we dumped Dwayne Bowe's ass...

Smith is 30 TD's to 1 INT inside the red zone.