Mahomes Grade Game 2

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

B... He almost through a pick 6 on the late throw to Sherman. B is good though.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

[Nickhead]

the back shoulder incompletion was the pass i was impressed with. just the defender got his arms up (did he even make a play for the ball?)

[Rasputin]

Actually one of the most impressive plays was when he went back but got chased and it looked like he could have been sacked 20-30 yards in the backfield but he managed to sling it away and avoid intentional grounding and got himself out of trouble that way without taking a sack. That could have been disastrous.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Actually one of the most impressive plays was when he went back but got chased and it looked like he could have been sacked 20-30 yards in the backfield but he managed to sling it away and avoid intentional grounding and got himself out of trouble that way without taking a sack. That could have been disastrous.

That was a veteran QB play.

[DJ's left nut]

B.

I'll get blistered for this, but he doesn't really run that offense. He freelances and makes plays. The timing just isn't as crisp.

Now that's gonna eventually be an invaluable plan B for him, but it needs to be plan B and right now it isn't. He's much more sped up back there and it's even more obvious when he's coming in after Smith instead of Bray.

Smith was better than him tonight because - duh. But I don't think you grade on a curve. The Escobar throw was as exciting a QB play as we've seen here since Montana, but if you're giving him an A grade, where else is there for him to go? He can be better. He WILL be better. That first throw can't happen and in a game where it does, that's not an A game.

This wasn't an A job, IMO. Smith's was. Damn exciting performance and I think we'll see him improve every time he's on the field, but there's room for growth in his timing and overall grasp of the offense.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

B.

I'll get blistered for this...

As well you should, a B?... its giving me a mild headache just looking at it

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

As well you should, a B?... its giving me a mild headache just looking at it

He explained himself well. I'll still give Mahomes an A but DJ is right in that his plays came from playground shit and not from the actual offense. Part of that was the OL being terrible and part of that was him running around before he had to.
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[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by -King-

He explained himself well. I'll still give Mahomes an A but DJ is right in that his plays came from playground shit and not from the actual offense. Part of that was the OL being terrible and part of that was him running around before he had to.
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Heh, I'm sure DJ knows I wasnt trying to be a dick

Just drunk and delirious with joy

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

B.

I'll get blistered for this, but he doesn't really run that offense. He freelances and makes plays. The timing just isn't as crisp.

Now that's gonna eventually be an invaluable plan B for him, but it needs to be plan B and right now it isn't. He's much more sped up back there and it's even more obvious when he's coming in after Smith instead of Bray.

Smith was better than him tonight because - duh. But I don't think you grade on a curve. The Escobar throw was as exciting a QB play as we've seen here since Montana, but if you're giving him an A grade, where else is there for him to go? He can be better. He WILL be better. That first throw can't happen and in a game where it does, that's not an A game.

This wasn't an A job, IMO. Smith's was. Damn exciting performance and I think we'll see him improve every time he's on the field, but there's room for growth in his timing and overall grasp of the offense.

Not to nitpick, but I think you're grading him on an aptitude scale, while everybody else is grading him on an achievement scale. You're giving him an aptitude rating... how well does he play the QB position compared to the entire body of NFL QBs, where those with the best QB aptitude receive A's and those who come up short receive grades less than that. Madden ratings, basically.

I think most of us are thinking of this grade as achievement rating-- what did he accomplish according to what the expectations are? Given Mahomes' college background, his age, his experience, and his familiarity with the playbook, his list of expectations he needs to achieve in a preseason game looks different than what Alex Smith needs to achieve.

No, I'm not saying he plays by special rules. I'm saying that his expectations are different. A 5th grader who aces all of his math tests is probably good at math, and as you keep teaching him, he's probably going to continue to achieve high grades for what's expected of him. You wouldn't compare what he knows in math with the entire school system's math curriculum and say, "He knows no algebra, trig, or calculus yet. He's a "D" grade math student."

That situation is just like Mahomes and our subjective grades for this game. We're grading him based on what was expected of him compared to a typical rookie QB.

I agree. He's not REALLY running the offense, and his knowledge of the routes, schemes, and timing obviously needs like... you know... a year. Two years. More. It takes a long time to get that shit down for ANY QB. But this is live football. He has to play with what he's given in the time he's been given it, and it's his job score points, even if they're meaningless preseason points. Docking him because he's doing what works for him in a test where NOTHING slows down so you can learn and develop at your own pace isn't the appropriate way to assess him at this stage.

He's still learning algebra, and he's kicking ass at it. He'll eventually learn calculus. Just because he fails calculus now, however, doesn't mean he didn't ace tonight's algebra test.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Not to nitpick, but I think you're grading him on an aptitude scale, while everybody else is grading him on an achievement scale. You're giving him an aptitude rating... how well does he play the QB position compared to the entire body of NFL QBs, where those with the best QB aptitude receive A's and those who come up short receive grades less than that. Madden ratings, basically.

I think most of us are thinking of this grade as achievement rating-- what did he accomplish according to what the expectations are? Given Mahomes' college background, his age, his experience, and his familiarity with the playbook, his list of expectations he needs to achieve in a preseason game looks different than what Alex Smith needs to achieve.

No, I'm not saying he plays by special rules. I'm saying that his expectations are different. A 5th grader who aces all of his math tests is probably good at math, and as you keep teaching him, he's probably going to continue to achieve high grades for what's expected of him. You wouldn't compare what he knows in math with the entire school system's math curriculum and say, "He knows no algebra, trig, or calculus yet. He's a "D" grade math student."

That situation is just like Mahomes and our subjective grades for this game. We're grading him based on what was expected of him compared to a typical rookie QB.

I agree. He's not REALLY running the offense, and his knowledge of the routes, schemes, and timing obviously needs like... you know... a year. Two years. More. It takes a long time to get that shit down for ANY QB. But this is live football. He has to play with what he's given in the time he's been given it, and it's his job score points, even if they're meaningless preseason points. Docking him because he's doing what works for him in a test where NOTHING slows down so you can learn and develop at your own pace isn't the appropriate way to assess him at this stage.

He's still learning algebra, and he's kicking ass at it. He'll eventually learn calculus. Just because he fails calculus now, however, doesn't mean he didn't ace tonight's algebra test.

I love you/MUCH Mahomo

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Not to nitpick, but I think you're grading him on an aptitude scale, while everybody else is grading him on an achievement scale. You're giving him an aptitude rating... how well does he play the QB position compared to the entire body of NFL QBs, where those with the best QB aptitude receive A's and those who come up short receive grades less than that. Madden ratings, basically.

I think most of us are thinking of this grade as achievement rating-- what did he accomplish according to what the expectations are? Given Mahomes' college background, his age, his experience, and his familiarity with the playbook, his list of expectations he needs to achieve in a preseason game looks different than what Alex Smith needs to achieve.

No, I'm not saying he plays by special rules. I'm saying that his expectations are different. A 5th grader who aces all of his math tests is probably good at math, and as you keep teaching him, he's probably going to continue to achieve high grades for what's expected of him. You wouldn't compare what he knows in math with the entire school system's math curriculum and say, "He knows no algebra, trig, or calculus yet. He's a "D" grade math student."

That situation is just like Mahomes and our subjective grades for this game. We're grading him based on what was expected of him compared to a typical rookie QB.

I agree. He's not REALLY running the offense, and his knowledge of the routes, schemes, and timing obviously needs like... you know... a year. Two years. More. It takes a long time to get that shit down for ANY QB. But this is live football. He has to play with what he's given in the time he's been given it, and it's his job score points, even if they're meaningless preseason points. Docking him because he's doing what works for him in a test where NOTHING slows down so you can learn and develop at your own pace isn't the appropriate way to assess him at this stage.

He's still learning algebra, and he's kicking ass at it. He'll eventually learn calculus. Just because he fails calculus now, however, doesn't mean he didn't ace tonight's algebra test.

Here's the dilemma. With what we saw today, we learned that Mahomes can get away with freelancing and probably continue to get better and better at it. Favre took a major beating. McNabb struggled to stay healthy and I don't think he developed nearly as much as a passer until he stopped using his legs. Both were Reid QBs. This could be a very important game because it might be the game Mahomes realized that his freelancing could work in the NFL. What if in 2 years he keeps moving to advanced algebra and starts to believe he has no need to learn calculus?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's the dilemma. With what we saw today, we learned that Mahomes can get away with freelancing and probably continue to get better and better at it. Favre took a major beating. McNabb struggled to stay healthy and I don't think he developed nearly as much as a passer until he stopped using his legs. Both were Reid QBs. This could be a very important game because it might be the game Mahomes realized that his freelancing could work in the NFL. What if in 2 years he keeps moving to advanced algebra and starts to believe he has no need to learn calculus?

Well it's a good thing he's sitting for at least a year, then, isn't it? So his knowledge of the offense can catch up to his instincts.

And God... a full season of leading the scout team as the primary backup? THAT'S the shit that will turn Mahomes into a balanced QB and accelerate his knowledge of the offense.

One game of preseason isn't going to destroy his path for developing the "right" way. That's just completely ridiculous.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Well it's a good thing he's sitting for at least a year, then, isn't it? So his knowledge of the offense can catch up to his instincts.

And God... a full season of leading the scout team as the primary backup? THAT'S the shit that will turn Mahomes into a balanced QB and accelerate his knowledge of the offense.

One game of preseason isn't going to destroy his path for developing the "right" way. That's just completely ridiculous.

The best aspect you just said about running the scout team is the first game against the Patriots he will have to mimic Tom Brady. Who would be better quarterback for Patrick to study his tendencies from? Tom Brady isn't known for his mobilization and scrambling he is known for his strikes down field and getting the ball to the right guy at the precise time. Tom Brady is one of the best at anticipation of a guy to be open and can throw right in stride with the receiver. I'm really hoping he learns a lot from watching Tom Brady film and first game of the season.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Well it's a good thing he's sitting for at least a year, then, isn't it? So his knowledge of the offense can catch up to his instincts.

And God... a full season of leading the scout team as the primary backup? THAT'S the shit that will turn Mahomes into a balanced QB and accelerate his knowledge of the offense.

One game of preseason isn't going to destroy his path for developing the "right" way. That's just completely ridiculous.

I didn't say it would destroy his path to developing. I have no doubt he's going to improve a lot (and he's already damn good for the NFL). But despite all the training in the world, we don't know yet if he's going to be a freelancer as plan B or plan A. He'll have a very successful career using it as a plan A so it's not like it's a bad thing.

In watching the game yesterday, I had goosebumps thinking about how good he'll be. But I also got to thinking about Andy's best 2 QBS - Favre and McNabb - and how much Mahomes resembles them in so many ways. Both of them tough as nails but they got the bejesus knocked out of them in their careers.