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Old 01-20-2019, 04:29 PM   #1
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:27 PM   #2
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:28 AM   #3
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This game proved once again that it is clearly time to gut the safety and ILB positions.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:05 AM   #4
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Gotta get better play from the DL before I could start getting concerned about S and LB.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:18 AM   #5
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Gotta get better play from the DL before I could start getting concerned about S and LB.
You serious? You're blaming the D-Line? The only unit that can get a tackle for a loss and make plays? You can't be serious.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:25 AM   #6
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You serious? You're blaming the D-Line? The only unit that can get a tackle for a loss and make plays? You can't be serious.
Uh, yeah. Allen Bailey is a ****ing jag and they need more high end play from the 0. Yeah man, I am serious.

Williams has had some nice moments against the run, but we need more of a prime Dontari Poe that havocs the entire ****ing pocket into nothing.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:36 AM   #7
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Uh, yeah. Allen Bailey is a ****ing jag and they need more high end play from the 0. Yeah man, I am serious.

Williams has had some nice moments against the run, but we need more of a prime Dontari Poe that havocs the entire ****ing pocket into nothing.
I guess we see the failures of this team very, very much different. Nnadi and Williams have been fine. They absolutely were not a liability. Sure, you could upgrade from Bailey but he's an above average DE in a 3-4 as well. None of these guys were the reason that linebackers and safeties were not picking up coverage assignments or coming down to fill against the run. This team was gashed because the middle of this defense at linebacker and safety is horrendous in every facet of the game.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:44 AM   #8
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In what sense is Bailey above average?
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:52 PM   #9
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In what sense is Bailey above average?
Bailey finished 54th in the league in sacks with 6.0, which puts him tied for 37th among defensive lineman, 11th amongst 3-4 defensive lineman, and 10th amongst 3-4 defensive ends.
Bailey finished tied for 60th in the league in tackles for defensive lineman, which puts him 24th amongst 3-4 defensive lineman, and 18th amongst 3-4 defensive ends.
The league has roughly 116 starting defensive lineman with about 36 starting 3-4 defensive lineman and 24 starting 3-4 defensive ends.
He's at the end of the top 1/3rd in sacks and the end of the middle 1/3 in tackles. To me that puts him at or above average for starters in the league. A guy that can be middle of the pack as a starter in this league is not JAG.
I didn't see Bailey as a guy consistently rode like a horse. I saw linebackers that run away from the play.


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Old 01-21-2019, 05:12 AM   #10
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Sort of agree with both of you.

I think Nnadi has played well and I am hopeful about him for next year.

Both Williams and Bailey are JAGs, at least Williams is a cheap one.

I sort of agree, a guy like Poe makes so much difference to the center of a 3-4 defense, without a plus plus guy who can two gap in the heart of the defense I think you are better off with a 4-3.

I do think it's a combination though, both the LB and Dline play has been bad against the run.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:22 AM   #11
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Last night made it clear it's gonna be a bigger job than some here think. They still need a starting safety and CB minimum and ILB that can cover a back or TE.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:24 AM   #12
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Last night made it clear it's gonna be a bigger job than some here think. They still need a starting safety and CB minimum and ILB that can cover a back or TE.
Yeah, the thread title is looking a little reactionary right now isn't it?
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:07 PM   #13
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This thread was ignorant from the beginning. We're 2 years minimum from having just an average defense.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:22 PM   #14
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This thread was ignorant from the beginning. We're 2 years minimum from having just an average defense.
I would say it's quite likely that they manage an average defense next year, rather than 2 years from now.

Obviously that depends a little on a few x factors, like who (if anyone) replaces Bob.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:17 PM   #15
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Until Bob Sutton is gone, there is no hope for this defense.
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