Chiefs 2019 Free agency Thread - Page 481

O.city · 02-05-2019, 03:24 PM

We don't really have one of these yet, so figured we could use this as a place to discuss potential free agent acquisitions and what we would like to look for them to bring in.

If any of you guys are interested, heres a good place to do some research.

https://overthecap.com/

DJ's left nut · 03-13-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Here we go. You have a new enemy it appears.

How's this 'new'?

I wasn't excited about the Spagnolo hiring when it was made. I believe I have ample cause for my reticence.

ToxSocks · 03-13-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

True but any improvement over the last two years Defense gets us where we want to go..

I wouldn't say that.

We just gutted the #1 Pass rush. The only thing we had going for us.

So if you take away the only thing you did well, that makes you better?

I know, i know, we have a long way to go before the roster is final....but the point being they need at least one or two more impact players in addition to the draft.

Mulliganman · 03-13-2019, 03:15 PM

Eagles get DeSean Jackson

Kiimo · 03-13-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Pointing out fact does not make it an enemy. He's right. There's nothing in that post that's incorrect.

Pull up Spag's defensive rankings while he was a coordinator and you'll find more bottom 10's than top 10's.

Lets not act like Spags has never fielded a 30th or worse defense before. He has.

Does that say, "he can coach up bad talent" to you?

It doesn't to me.

All everyone did was bitch about either Berry, Houston or Ford and post long diatribes whining about these guys and how you want them gone.

It's been an hour since the last one was released and now we're starting in on Spags.

My point is people just like to complain. It's annoying.

O.city · 03-13-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think the goal here is to get the defense to merely credible.

You can do that if you just flat don't have any glaring holes in it and if Jones can continue to play at an elite level.

Now the hell of it is, just getting to 'not having any glaring holes' will still require us to sign 3 mid-tier FAs and hit on a couple of draft picks, but I guess it is what it is.

Right now I guess the starting defense would be

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Kpass
Wilson - Hitchens - DoD
Ward - Matthieu- Lucas - Watts - Fuller

I mean...that's bad. That's really bad. Granted, the draft will get you some help there but I still think you need a couple of solid signings.

So if you take about 1/2 that freed up space and put it towards extensions, you have some runaround money. You can put that towards 2 year deals with Golden, Brown and maybe a 4 year deal for Darby.

So you're looking at:

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Golden
Hitchens - Brown - DoD
Ward - Matthieu - Watts/Lucas - Fuller - Darby

That's still not good, but it's quite a bit better. It's capable of getting you to average to slightly below AND you're not relying on any immediate impact contributions from your rookie class (which is imperative because you just can't know what you're getting there).

And you've taken no wild swings that would interfere with your long-term outlook.

Essentially you need 2 or 3 of those "Mike DeVito" kind of signings; affordable players that come in and do yeoman's work who, if they are replaced by rookies who outperform them, you can bench and eventually cut without hurting your cap.

Or you do what I said earlier and are better.

Boom roasted.

OKchiefs · 03-13-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulliganman

Eagles get DeSean Jackson

Welcome to 2 days ago.

**New World Order** · 03-13-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

That's the crux isn't it?

We're nuking a defense with no discernible talent to fill the voids that you could claim makes them better.

I'm not sold on DeMarcus Lawrence either. Or any of these guys that are available.

I worry that we're headed into next season with patch work guys like Orlando Scandrick.

yip

Mecca · 03-13-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think the goal here is to get the defense to merely credible.

You can do that if you just flat don't have any glaring holes in it and if Jones can continue to play at an elite level.

Now the hell of it is, just getting to 'not having any glaring holes' will still require us to sign 3 mid-tier FAs and hit on a couple of draft picks, but I guess it is what it is.

Right now I guess the starting defense would be

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Kpass
Wilson - Hitchens - DoD
Ward - Matthieu- Lucas - Watts - Fuller

I mean...that's bad. That's really bad. Granted, the draft will get you some help there but I still think you need a couple of solid signings.

So if you take about 1/2 that freed up space and put it towards extensions, you have some runaround money. You can put that towards 2 year deals with Golden, Brown and maybe a 4 year deal for Darby.

So you're looking at:

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Golden
Hitchens - Brown - DoD
Ward - Matthieu - Watts/Lucas - Fuller - Darby

That's still not good, but it's quite a bit better. It's capable of getting you to average to slightly below AND you're not relying on any immediate impact contributions from your rookie class (which is imperative because you just can't know what you're getting there).

And you've taken no wild swings that would interfere with your long-term outlook.

Essentially you need 2 or 3 of those "Mike DeVito" kind of signings; affordable players that come in and do yeoman's work who, if they are replaced by rookies who outperform them, you can bench and eventually cut without hurting your cap.

Pretty much agree with you here...I think Zach Brown would be a good pickup as much as I bring up Collins both are good fits here.

You just do what you mentioned and grab Adderly and maybe a Ferguson and hopefully a CB falls and all of the sudden this D should be respectable.

Sassy Squatch · 03-13-2019, 03:17 PM

Having said that the LB core scares the ever loving shit out of me. Please do something there ASAP.

DJ's left nut · 03-13-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

What does tendered at 6th round level mean?

He wasn't tendered at 'a 6th round level'

He was given an original round tender and he was originally a 6th rounder. So if a team poaches him, they owe us a 6th.

For $3 million we could've had him on a 3rd round tender and a team has to give up a 3 to snake him. That effectively means he's ours. At an original round tender there may still be some interest there.

It's a gamble from Veach. I like Lucas and would have few qualms starting him so I'd have probably gone with the 3rd round tender. But at the original round, perhaps someone comes around with a long-term deal that's at a lower price point and we'll just match it. We have the space now.

RunKC · 03-13-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Pointing out fact does not make it an enemy. He's right. There's nothing in that post that's incorrect.

Pull up Spag's defensive rankings while he was a coordinator and you'll find more bottom 10's than top 10's.

Lets not act like Spags has never fielded a 30th or worse defense before. He has.

Does that say, "he can coach up bad talent" to you?

It doesn't to me.

Wow you guys don’t trust Daley or House? Those are good coaches

ToxSocks · 03-13-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

All everyone did was bitch about either Berry, Houston or Ford and post long diatribes whining about these guys and how you want them gone.

It's been an hour since the last one was released and now we're starting in on Spags.

My point is people just like to complain. It's annoying.

If it makes you feel better i was pointing out Spag's inconsistency back when he was hired. And i didn't want any of those players gone.

ToxSocks · 03-13-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Wow you guys don’t trust Daley or House? Those are good coaches

They're not the DC.

Mulliganman · 03-13-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Welcome to 2 days ago.

Posting because Schefter posted it just became official jackass. But, please continue

ToxSocks · 03-13-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He wasn't tendered at 'a 6th round level'

He was given an original round tender and he was originally a 6th rounder. So if a team poaches him, they owe us a 6th.

For $3 million we could've had him on a 3rd round tender and a team has to give up a 3 to snake him. That effectively means he's ours. At an original round tender there may still be some interest there.

It's a gamble from Veach. I like Lucas and would have few qualms starting him so I'd have probably gone with the 3rd round tender. But at the original round, perhaps someone comes around with a long-term deal that's at a lower price point and we'll just match it. We have the space now.

With so many Safeties on the market i highly doubt anyone bites.

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