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Old 07-25-2019, 04:10 PM   #1
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The AFC East does have the best overall record, however they are also propped up significantly by the Patriots. The other 3 teams in the division rank 19th, 22nd, and 26th in overall record. For reference, the divisions in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th place each have 3 teams with a better overall record than the AFC East's second best team, the NY Jets

Not sure what you're looking at, but -- if you're including the losses to the Patriots, you're punishing the other three teams for being in the same division as the Patriots and having to play them twice. Essentially giving those three teams a combined 5-6 losses PER YEAR for all of the years covered.

So this stat is weird, but useful. It's the record of each division since 2000 against ALL OTHER divisions, but EXCLUDING whatever team won the division that year (so, exclude the Patriots themselves most years, as well as whichever team won the various other divisions in any given year).


But again, this isn't fair to the AFC East. What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?

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Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457
NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451
NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439
AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425
AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422
AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420
NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417
NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401



It looks like -- between the Patriots EQUAL domination inside and outside the AFCE, and the AFCE's (other than Pats) not-bad showing against other divisions (outside of their division's champ that year), that the AFC East doesn't suck as horrifically as Patriots haters suggest.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:15 PM   #2
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Not sure what you're looking at, but -- if you're including the losses to the Patriots, you're punishing the other three teams for being in the same division as the Patriots and having to play them twice. Essentially giving those three teams a combined 5-6 losses PER YEAR for all of the years covered.

So this stat is weird, but useful. It's the record of each division since 2000 against ALL OTHER divisions, but EXCLUDING whatever team won the division that year (so, exclude the Patriots themselves most years, as well as whichever team won the various other divisions in any given year).


But again, this isn't fair to the AFC East. What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?

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Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457
NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451
NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439
AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425
AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422
AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420
NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417
NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401



It looks like -- between the Patriots EQUAL domination inside and outside the AFCE, and the AFCE's (other than Pats) not-bad showing against other divisions (outside of their division's champ that year), that the AFC East doesn't suck as horrifically as Patriots haters suggest.
Is this guy for real? He talks about how the divisions matter then when you show him he decides to take out the winners? That was the freaking point.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:19 PM   #3
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Is this guy for real? He talks about how the divisions matter then when you show him he decides to take out the winners? That was the freaking point.

You don't seem to understand what I'm posting at all.

How would YOU compare the non-Patriot AFC East's strength over the last 20 years? You can't just compare how the divisions in total have done against each other -- the AFC East looks GREAT, but it's skewed by teh Patriots themselves winning at such a high percentage.

So you can look at how the AFC East has done (excluding Pats) against the other divisions, but that isn't really fair either. You're top-weighting the other division by including their champ team.

If you're trying to determine how difficult the Patriots road to the division crown was, compared to the road other division winners had, doesn't it make sense to look at how the non-division winners have done against teams OUTSIDE their own division?
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:25 PM   #4
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You don't seem to understand what I'm posting at all.

How would YOU compare the non-Patriot AFC East's strength over the last 20 years? You can't just compare how the divisions in total have done against each other -- the AFC East looks GREAT, but it's skewed by teh Patriots themselves winning at such a high percentage.

So you can look at how the AFC East has done (excluding Pats) against the other divisions, but that isn't really fair either. You're top-weighting the other division by including their champ team.

If you're trying to determine how difficult the Patriots road to the division crown was, compared to the road other division winners had, doesn't it make sense to look at how the non-division winners have done against teams OUTSIDE their own division?
You were the one defending your division, not really understanding how bad it is.
THEN you lose that argument and decide to remove division winners altogether and compare the divisions.
We might as well pretend NE is in the AFC W and get rid of the Raiders, you really think you win all those division titles?
Your division is KEY to NE and their success... period, end of discussion.
By your reasoning look at YOUR divisions record against other divisions not the other divisions against eachother.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:40 PM   #5
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Amnorix...give one example of the Patriots/Brady losing on bogus officiating...just one besides the 2015 Doink game...where it was Manning's retirement season.

You cant...and you know it. Definitely never in the post-season.

I can list 5 in that past 2 years for the Chiefs...including 3 play-off loses...one of which forced the official to retire.
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Old 07-25-2019, 05:06 PM   #6
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Amnorix...give one example of the Patriots/Brady losing on bogus officiating...just one besides the 2015 Doink game...where it was Manning's retirement season.
Losing? The Patriots don't lose much. There have been plenty of non-calls. Gronk interfered with in the end zone by Kuechly on the last play of a game. Play blown dead due to phantom stepping out of bounds whistle. The Philly special was an illegal formation -- player on end of the line was off the ball, which you can't do. On the Hail Mary vs the Eagles, Amendola gets literally blown up 30 yards downfield, and Gronk gets blown up as the ball is coming down. No call.

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I can, if I have to, but I don't, because whining about refs is for ****ing losers.

And you think the NFL is fixed anyway, so why do you even care?


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I can list 5 in that past 2 years for the Chiefs...including 3 play-off loses...one of which forced the official to retire.
See comment above.
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I can, if I have to, but I don't, because whining about refs is for ****ing losers.
I can't argue with you there

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See comment above.
But I can argue with you here. I'm not a "refs" guy just like in basketball I'm not a "calls" guy but this right here






Watch this horseshit and find the nonsense reason that they get to keep the ball. The ref was forced to retire after this. It's still nauseating.
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I can't argue with you there



But I can argue with you here. I'm not a "refs" guy just like in basketball I'm not a "calls" guy but this right here






Watch this horseshit and find the nonsense reason that they get to keep the ball. The ref was forced to retire after this. It's still nauseating.
There is not a call in the history of the NFL that is worse than that.
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There is not a call in the history of the NFL that is worse than that.
cracks me up that there are actually youtube videos supporting the referees call there. Its indefensible.
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Its like talking to a brick wall.
My good friend as a NE fan is the same way....
but when I asked him how much a fan he was before Kraft bought them he said he wasnt really in to football.
Let em have their rings, once the "dynasty" is over they will scatter like cockroaches and we wont see their fans visiting other teams forums.
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Its like talking to a brick wall.
My good friend as a NE fan is the same way....
but when I asked him how much a fan he was before Kraft bought them he said he wasnt really in to football.
Let em have their rings, once the "dynasty" is over they will scatter like cockroaches and we wont see their fans visiting other teams forums.
Northeast mentality

I've watched every Patriots game (with a few exceptions when I lived out of state and they were not available in the pre-internet age -- and excluding when the game wasn't even on local TV due to failure to sell out the stadium, since about 1981 or so.

You can mock anyone else you want for being a "pink hat" (Red Sox reference really), but I'm glad to chat Rod Rust and Ray Berry and Dick MacPherson, Lisa Olson, Viktor Kiam, Parcells, Eason, Irving Fryar's finger, on and on and on and on.
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Can we stop with the great defensive plan by the pats nonsense. They got away with defensive holding on our receivers the entire first half.

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Can we stop with the great defensive plan by the pats nonsense. They got away with defensive holding on our receivers the entire first half.

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Honestly that was a great game plan. It worked
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Honestly that was a great game plan. It worked
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