Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

Anxiety needs a roost. Should we trade Kelce now before he gets old

He's 30 now; obviously past his prime. We need to get rid of him before he needs a new contract and tanks afterwards.

For that matter Tyreek just got paid; shouldn't we be worried that he'll mail in the rest of his contract?

And Pat Mahomes . . . well obviously according to the likes of Wallsucker, we should trade him before we have to sign him to a big contract, because he'll suck afterwards. Plus, he's 25 now, and obviously athletically he can only go down from here.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

He's 30 now; obviously past his prime. We need to get rid of him before he needs a new contract and tanks afterwards.

For that matter Tyreek just got paid; shouldn't we be worried that he'll mail in the rest of his contract?

And Pat Mahomes . . . well obviously according to the likes of Wallsucker, we should trade him before we have to sign him to a big contract, because he'll suck afterwards. Plus, he's 25 now, and obviously athletically he can only go down from here.

OK, Megatard, it appears literacy is among your many weak mental aspects.

You see, Megadouche, the Berry and Houston deals are not irrelevant. They are a perfect, shining example of why you dont dump a ton of money on one guy. Those who dont know history, are dooned to repeat it. The Chiefs have been burned twice, and I find it extremely hilarious you say Berry was irrelevant, because were the Chiefs not still eating dead money, we arent in as piss poor a position to retain our players that we are now.

While yes, Megazord, you could cherry pick the guys who got stupid money and produced decent results on one hand, (assuming you can count, thats a big ****in leap of faith but hey..) there are far more instances of complacency and injury on these huge deals than homeruns. Dwayne Bowe wants to know if you need anything from Sonic, btw.

As I said before, Megaturd, Patrick Mahomes, the best player on the God damn planet, is the ONLY guy worthy of any contract number. The guy has the ability to affect the outcome of any given game by himself, and more importantly, is irreplaceable. Even he knows that in order to build the team, he probably has to take less than hes really worth.



Your ridiculous little comment about trade Kelce hes 30, doesnt hold water. Kelce isn't looking to be the leagues top paid receiver.

Hill, big swing and a miss there too. Everyone with a functioning braincell knows Hills deal has been structured so that we do not get burned, due to his off field soap opera that was taking place.

In the end, Megatranny, if Jones is more interested in breaking the bank than winning super bowls, he needs to do that elsewhere and we utilize the picks and cash to deepen the roster with talent across the board.

The ship kind sailed when no deal was done with Jones, and we gave Frank Clark his money. To your point, Clark did produce. But only after a period where CP got up in arms about how much he sucked. Getting a Lombardi softens the blow of his deal, so even if he flames out going forward due to injuries or what have you, people will still reflect on that one good postseason run that helped us win a title and say it was worth every penny.

They are probably right, but it still doesnt change the fact that his deal affects the Jones deal, and affects the overall team.

Hopefully Megadork, that clarifies some things for you.

[Munson]

Part of me wants to keep Jones considering how hard it is to find game changing interior D-lineman. Think of all the high draft picks we've wasted on busts like Ryan Sims, Glen Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Junior Siavii, etc.

The other part of me does knows that we could get some high draft picks for him, and not be stuck in shitty salary cap situation.

Hopefully he takes a discount. If not, he'll probably get traded to an NFC team.

[RunKC]

Frank Clark’s deal is the line. That would make him the highest paid DT not named Aaron Donald and by a hefty amount. 2nd highest paid DT is Fletcher Cox at $17 million, about $4 million less than Frank Clark’s deal.

If Chris Jones and his agent come charging at Veach asking to be the highest paid defensive player in football, then yeah I’d start considering a trade. He isn’t either of those players.

Not saying that he’s doing that, but this is based off the OP. He absolutely should not be the highest paid defensive player.

Take Frank Clark’s deal and be happy.

[PAChiefsGuy]

It's a tough decision. On one hand the guy is a great player and you don't want to lose someone like him. You also would like to reward players who were drafted by the Chiefs and earned their big contract.

On the other hand Chiefs better do their homework because some guys lose their fire after they get paid. How competitive is Chris Jones? Plus, Chiefs have to make sure they create a good dline not a dline w Chris Jones, Frank Clark and a bunch of bums. Chiefs dline has good depth they need to keep it that way.

Hopefully Veach makes the right decision.

[Titty Meat]

Comparing Jones to Houston is stupid for the simple fact if you compare post season productivity it's not even close. The Houston deal wasn't even a bad one til he had his leg snapped in half, people forget how good that 2015 became.

The only reason you trade Jones is if you can't make the math work. A defensive front of Clark, Nnadi, Jones and perhaps you get a talented defensive end at the end of round 1 you have a defense that's just as good as the 49ers and we're not even mentioning that you have the best offense in the league, with the best QB in the league and a hall of fame coach.

[ForeverIowan]

I'm personally obsessed with surrounding Mahomes with weapons EARLY in his career and watching that core wreck the league but that's just me. That 2000-2010 Colts squad had HOFers in QB (Manning), RB (James), WRs (Harrison, possibly Wayne) a great TE (Clark) and one of the best centers of his era (Saturday). I was at the no punt game front and center that offense was fricken unreal.

Trade Jones for a 1st and a 2nd who knows maybe we draft Mahomes' Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne in Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III and his Edgerrin James in Swift, Dobbins, Taylor.

Jones of course may very well go on to have a HOF career and the draft picks we got for him may very well be busts. Just my opinion but you pair first round skill players with Mahomes they're not gonna be busts. James, Harrison, Wayne, Clark all first round picks for Manning.

Do you want to diversify your risk or does Veach think Jones is an all pro caliber player for the next 5-6 years? Time will tell. Good situation to be in.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

I'm personally obsessed with surrounding Mahomes with weapons EARLY in his career and watching that core wreck the league but that's just me. That 2000-2010 Colts squad had HOFers in QB (Manning), RB (James), WRs (Harrison, possibly Wayne) a great TE (Clark) and one of the best centers of his era (Saturday). I was at the no punt game front and center that offense was fricken unreal.

Trade Jones for a 1st and a 2nd who knows maybe we draft Mahomes' Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne in Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III and his Edgerrin James in Swift, Dobbins, Taylor.

Jones of course may very well go on to have a HOF career and the draft picks we got for him may very well be busts. Just my opinion but you pair first round skill players with Mahomes they're not gonna be busts. James, Harrison, Wayne, Clark all first round picks for Manning.

Do you want to diversify your risk or does Veach think Jones is an all pro caliber player for the next 5-6 years? Time will tell. Good situation to be in.

Yeah and for all that offensive talent they only won one SB and that was because they finally put together a somewhat respectable defense.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah and for all that offensive talent they only won one SB and that was because they finally put together a somewhat respectable defense.

Fair point. Aaron Rodgers also only won one SB because they never surrounded him with weapons.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Fair point. Aaron Rodgers also only won one SB because they never surrounded him with weapons.

If people are being honest...Mahomes won the SB because Jones batted down some potential first downs in the 4th quarter...

Jones also caused the initial pressure that led to a Garoppolo INT.

[SuperBowl4]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

If people are being honest...Mahomes won the SB because Jones batted down some potential first downs in the 4th quarter...

Jones also caused the initial pressure that led to a Garoppolo INT.

And give credit to Dee ford not being a CHIEF!

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

If people are being honest...Mahomes won the SB because Jones batted down some potential first downs in the 4th quarter...

Jones also caused the initial pressure that led to a Garoppolo INT.

Mathieu had 2 TD saving tackles, Suggs read a screen and saved a likely screen TD, Fisher had the key block on the 3rd and 15 conversion driving Bosa out of the play, Pennel had the hit the caused the INT, Clark had a key pressure and sack to end the 49ers offense on 4th down.

You can say this shit about several players dude.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Fair point. Aaron Rodgers also only won one SB because they never surrounded him with weapons.

The thing that always goes unnoticed is the year Rodgers won, they had an elite defense. 2nd in points allowed, 5th in yards.

They haven't had a defense rank near the top 5 in either of those categories since. That was 10 years ago.

[BossChief]

You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.

The guy is a unicorn.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.

The guy is a unicorn.

That's the ideal situation for sure. I want him to stay and hopefully he does if all the numbers work out okay for both sides.

Chris Jones should be one of the center pieces of this team going forward. Chiefs just have to make sure he is the ultracompetitive type and that he won't take it easy after he gets paid. Whatever he gets it is going to be a lot. so better make sure he is worth it. Only so much money to go around.