Lucas Niang opts out...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

They have shutdown the airport and banned air travel in/out of San Diego?

San Diego airport traffic is down by 96%, so Damien Williams and his crew will have the airport mostly to themselves during the NFL season.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

San Diego airport traffic is down by 96%, so Damien Williams and his crew will have the airport mostly to themselves during the NFL season.

Wait, I thought this was about White. I’m confused.

He doesn’t live in SD, right?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m confused

Yeah, apparently, I am, too.

Damien Williams lives in the San Diego area while Niang is in Connecticut. I don't know off the top of my head where White lives.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Crazy that me choosing my family’s wellbeing over a game comes with so called fans attacking and questioning me and saying I’m selfish. No you guys are selfish for thinking that football is bigger than life. Oh by the way my girl’s grandfather passed from COVID. U understand now?

— Tre'Davious White (@TakeAwayTre_) August 6, 2020

And he gives a message a lot of posters here should take to heart.

O.City has made a fair point here, though.

He will be flying blind a LOT more having opted out than he would've playing. Yes, he'll be a little more exposed (probably), but he'll also know a lot sooner and with a lot more certainty if he does contract it.

It's a personal choice so I won't begrudge any of them either way. But I do think there's an argument to be made that the knowledge and constant testing they'll have, not to mention the structured activity on a daily basis w/ steady contact tracing, could serve to make them SAFER by playing vs. not.

I think it's shitty to call them selfish (though it's also shitty to use selfish strictly as a pejorative - we're all self-interested the overwhelming majority of the time). But I do think some of them may end up getting this wrong. Just because you're girlfriends grandpa died of it, that doesn't mean you're better off not going to the facility every day, working in closed group settings and being constantly tested than you would be by simply staying away from the office and doing...whatever. And not being tested.

Unless they're simply gonna lock themselves in the house for 6 months (and some of them may), I'm not sure there's the overarching benefit that they expect. I guess we'll see when the season starts.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

O.City has made a fair point here, though.

He will be flying blind a LOT more having opted out than he would've playing. Yes, he'll be a little more exposed (probably), but he'll also know a lot sooner and with a lot more certainty if he does contract it.

It's a personal choice so I won't begrudge any of them either way. But I do think there's an argument to be made that the knowledge and constant testing they'll have, not to mention the structured activity on a daily basis w/ steady contact tracing, could serve to make them SAFER by playing vs. not.

I think it's shitty to call them selfish (though it's also shitty to use selfish strictly as a pejorative - we're all self-interested the overwhelming majority of the time). But I do think some of them may end up getting this wrong. Just because you're girlfriends grandpa died of it, that doesn't mean you're better off not going to the facility every day, working in closed group settings and being constantly tested than you would be by simply staying away from the office and doing...whatever. And not being tested.

Unless they're simply gonna lock themselves in the house for 6 months (and some of them may), I'm not sure there's the overarching benefit that they expect. I guess we'll see when the season starts.

I think it may also come down to say the debacles of the Marlins and Cardinals where players on the team make terrible decisions. There's more guys on a football team, what if he doesn't trust the other players to take it seriously? If that's how you feel putting yourself around that many other guys is super risky.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it may also come down to say the debacles of the Marlins and Cardinals where players on the team make terrible decisions. There's more guys on a football team, what if he doesn't trust the other players to take it seriously? If that's how you feel putting yourself around that many other guys is super risky.

But again, those guys are going to be continually tested and know what they do or don't have to pass on to others.

If your around the general public at all, you basically don't know whos' got what.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

But again, those guys are going to be continually tested and know what they do or don't have to pass on to others.

If your around the general public at all, you basically don't know whos' got what.

Sure but in daily life you won't be putting yourself in close quarters with 50 other people consistently, in a team environment if a few guys are morons half the team will have it in no time.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure but in daily life you won't be putting yourself in close quarters with 50 other people consistently, in a team environment if a few guys are morons half the team will have it in no time.

Yeah because it is totally believable that all of these opt-out players are going to live under a strict self-lockdown for the next 6 months and not go out to restaurants, get a hair cut, go to the gym, etc.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yeah because it is totally believable that all of these opt-out players are going to live under a strict self-lockdown for the next 6 months and not go out to restaurants, get a hair cut, go to the gym, etc.

How do you know they won't?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yeah because it is totally believable that all of these opt-out players are going to live under a strict self-lockdown for the next 6 months and not go out to restaurants, get a hair cut, go to the gym, etc.

That’s on them. You can’t say that everyone won’t or that everyone will.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yeah because it is totally believable that all of these opt-out players are going to live under a strict self-lockdown for the next 6 months and not go out to restaurants, get a hair cut, go to the gym, etc.

Yeah, "50 people in close quarters constantly" or "strict lockdown" ...it obviously has to be one or the other.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure but in daily life you won't be putting yourself in close quarters with 50 other people consistently, in a team environment if a few guys are morons half the team will have it in no time.

But again, those guys are going to be consistently tested. So you're gonna know ideally, before it breaks out.

If you don't plan to just lock away at home and be uber careful, opting out is still a risk IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it may also come down to say the debacles of the Marlins and Cardinals where players on the team make terrible decisions. There's more guys on a football team, what if he doesn't trust the other players to take it seriously? If that's how you feel putting yourself around that many other guys is super risky.

Yeah - there's a calculus for all of them. Maybe this is a trust issue for many.

But for those same people - boy it'd be pretty damn hypocritical for them to go out to a club during the football season. Or a birthday party or whatever.

It's just interesting to me to see where people draw the lines on when/how they're willing to accept risk and how often that line involves work vs. play...

I have no doubt that some will absolutely sequester themselves - but MANY won't. And by losing the security blanket of the structure and testing, they may be putting themselves at greater risk. I think a few of them may not be being as honest with themselves as prudence would dictate here.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

O.City has made a fair point here, though.

He will be flying blind a LOT more having opted out than he would've playing. Yes, he'll be a little more exposed (probably), but he'll also know a lot sooner and with a lot more certainty if he does contract it.

It's a personal choice so I won't begrudge any of them either way. But I do think there's an argument to be made that the knowledge and constant testing they'll have, not to mention the structured activity on a daily basis w/ steady contact tracing, could serve to make them SAFER by playing vs. not.

I think it's shitty to call them selfish (though it's also shitty to use selfish strictly as a pejorative - we're all self-interested the overwhelming majority of the time). But I do think some of them may end up getting this wrong. Just because you're girlfriends grandpa died of it, that doesn't mean you're better off not going to the facility every day, working in closed group settings and being constantly tested than you would be by simply staying away from the office and doing...whatever. And not being tested.

Unless they're simply gonna lock themselves in the house for 6 months (and some of them may), I'm not sure there's the overarching benefit that they expect. I guess we'll see when the season starts.

Thats my thoughts atleast. If you're gonna be tested every day or every other day whatever they're doing, you're gonna know. I'm sure they have stipulations in there to isolate them if they test positive as well.

I dunno, I get it from both sides. My line of work puts me at risk every day for all kinds of shit. It's unnerving for sure. But someones gotta do it I guess, and bills gotta get paid.