Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[KChiefs1]

This would be like starting the 2017 season with a pathetic win vs the Bungles, which should have went to OT, then coming home to face the Patriots & having Mahomes give that kinda performance & Andy going back to Alex afterwards.

Stupid

CP would have a meltdown.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

This would be like starting the 2017 season with a pathetic win vs the Bungles, which should have went to OT, then coming home to face the Patriots & having Mahomes give that kinda performance & Andy going back to Alex afterwards.

Stupid

CP would have a meltdown.

That's exactly what would have happened. But the situations aren't the same at all.

Reid made it absolutely clear that Alex was the starter.

Alex had led us to several double digit win seasons and was not going to lose his job due to an injury. Hell Alex doesn't lose his job even if Mahomes comes out and looks like he did in 2018 and we win the game.

Tyrod Taylor is a 31 year old journeyman QB and has only had marginal success for 3 seasons. In those 3 seasons he averaged 2953 passing yards, 17 TDs, and went 22-20 in Buffalo.

Tyrod has no future in LA and hasn't earned shit there.

Im putting this in bold because its just completely insane to me:

In the first game he has started and only the second game in which he's been in the league, Justin Herbert has tied Tyrod Taylor in games with 300+ passing yards

Tyrod hasn't earned shit and should be riding the bench watching Herb the Perv.

[Chris Meck]

Dumb.

Kid made a couple of dumb rookie mistakes, but also made some throws that maybe a handful of QB's could even attempt. Talent is apparent.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Dumb.

Kid made a couple of dumb rookie mistakes, but also made some throws that maybe a handful of QB's could even attempt. Talent is apparent.

I didnt see any of those types of throws.

[Deberg_1990]

Id be pissed if i were a Bolts fan.

Lynn sounds delusion. Some of these coaches are so risk averse its nuts. Tyrod Taylor is never go to win you anything. You should be putting a great deal of time and energy trying to coach up Herbert. quit wasting your time on inferior talent that has no upside.

[dirk digler]

As I said in the other thread Lynn is an average coach and he proved it when he didn't go for it on 4th. He was a good player but he won't be anything better than he is now coaching.

[DJ's left nut]

Look - I think he's wrong here. Herbert's clearly their future.

Buuuuuut - I think we've seen what Lynn thinks about his football team. He thinks this is a SB caliber defense w/ an offense that can grind out wins if his QB doesn't do anything to cut their throats.

And he's probably right w/r/t the defense - that's a hell of a tough unit. So I think he's looking at the next 6 weeks or so and thinking "okay, I don't have a full install w/ Herbert because he doesn't quite know the playbook..." and that's a fair belief. Herbert DID screw the pooch on that 3rd down inside the 5. And Herbert DID make a back-breaking rookie mistake on that interception. I mean that was a truly awful decision.

So Lynn's probably thinking that if he can pull off 4-2 w/ Taylor and his savage defense winning game 20-13 over the next 6 weeks, Herbert can come far enough along to maybe be able to add some nitrous to the offense down the stretch.

He doesn't want Herbert's growing pains to cost him a win or two over this first half of the season, a win that could keep them out of the post-season. If he can use Herbert as a bullpen of sorts, where Taylor keeps them alive for 5 innings and then Herbert comes in more fully formed over the latter 1/3 - 1/2 of the season to take things to the next level, maybe he can take advantage of the expanded playoff field and do some damage.

He's trying to get the best of both worlds, IMO. He's trying to ensure that they don't do anything to actively cost themselves a win or two that may cost them the playoffs while further coaching up/teaching Herbert so he can come in with a full playbook later on.

The starter has to deal with weekly installs - it's a different role than the holistic learning of the offense that Herbert still needs to do, IMO. If he can let Taylor focus on weekly gameplanning while Herbert continues to focus his attention on a more 1,000 mile understanding of the system, it will make Herbert more prepared for the end-game in December(ish) when he may be able to make them playoff dangerous.

I think Lynn understands how thin their margin for error here is so he's trying to walk it as best he can.

It's not what I'd do because I don't have as much confidence in his team as he does. But he clearly thinks this team can win with its D and be a truly dangerous post-season squad. In the meantime, he doesn't want Herbert making those 2-3 major mistakes/gm that could cut their throat.

Because lets face it - Herbert's 2nd half featured one good throw and 2 very significant, game-changing mistakes. And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

I understand his reasoning here even if it isn't what I'd have done.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

Blasphemy! The passing TD was the greatest throw ever and no one in the history of the world would even attempt to make that throw.

- Tony Romo

I usually really enjoy Romo, but good God, his hyping of Herbert was driving me nuts. He was so over the top about what Herbert was doing it was annoying as hell.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Blasphemy! The passing TD was the greatest throw ever and no one in the history of the world would even attempt to make that throw.

- Tony Romo

I usually really enjoy Romo, but good God, his hyping of Herbert was driving me nuts. He was so over the top about what Herbert was doing it was annoying as hell.

Yeah, I kinda wonder if some of this "Herbert was God!" is a result of Romo really fueling it during the broadcast. He's blabbing about Herbert moving Fenton with his eyes but it looked to me like Fenton just kinda lost where he was on the field. And it was CLEARLY a designed play - you telling me a 10 year veteran in Taylor (who's always been steady and even once made a pro-bowl) can't execute a simple look-off? There was nothing remarkable about that play - Fenton just didn't play the coverage terribly well.

I mean...he was fine. But the throw he made in the 3rd quarter right past Mathieu (I think to Allen) on 3rd and 10 was the only throw where I thought "damn, that was a baller-ass throw right there..."

Then he throws 2 incompletions and the drive stalls w/ a FG. And the very next drive he unquestionably ****ed up and that pick is what allowed the Chiefs to stay alive. If he just tucks that ball he probably runs it to the 20 and that's absolutely what Taylor would've done.

I re-watched the game last night and really, Herbert was okay. I mostly just kept coming away from drive after drive surprised by how little life the Chiefs showed.

I don't think Herbert did much to show that he's some led-pipe cinch to win more games than Taylor over the next several weeks. And ultimately I think he can still learn a lot in that period before you hand him the reigns down the stretch.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I kinda wonder if some of this "Herbert was God!" is a result of Romo really fueling it during the broadcast. He's blabbing about Herbert moving Fenton with his eyes but it looked to me like Fenton just kinda lost where he was on the field. And it was CLEARLY a designed play - you telling me a 10 year veteran in Taylor (who's always been steady and even once made a pro-bowl) can't execute a simple look-off? There was nothing remarkable about that play - Fenton just didn't play the coverage terribly well.

I mean...he was fine. But the throw he made in the 3rd quarter right past Mathieu (I think to Allen) on 3rd and 10 was the only throw where I thought "damn, that was a baller-ass throw right there..."

Then he throws 2 incompletions and the drive stalls w/ a FG. And the very next drive he unquestionably ****ed up and that pick is what allowed the Chiefs to stay alive. If he just tucks that ball he probably runs it to the 20 and that's absolutely what Taylor would've done.

I re-watched the game last night and really, Herbert was okay. I mostly just kept coming away from drive after drive surprised by how little life the Chiefs showed.

I don't think Herbert did much to show that he's some led-pipe cinch to win more games than Taylor over the next several weeks. And ultimately I think he can still learn a lot in that period before you hand him the reigns down the stretch.

As you said, the TD throw was 100% Fenton reacting to the up man and vacating his deep 3rd zone. It was nice throw but the dude was wide open because Fenton didn't get deep enough.

Furthermore, Herbert's terrible interception was likely more of a factor in losing the game than any of Lynn's play calling decisions.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

As you said, the TD throw was 100% Fenton reacting to the up man and vacating his deep 3rd zone. It was nice throw but the dude was wide open because Fenton didn't get deep enough.

Furthermore, Herbert's terrible interception was likely more of a factor in losing the game than any of Lynn's play calling decisions.

Right.

The two most critical plays of the game, at least in terms of Herbert impacting the outcomes, were negatives for Herbert. The pick was inexcusable and the 3rd down play was excusable BECAUSE he's so young but also as demonstrative of anything as to why he needs more seasoning on the bench.

Those plays can't happen for a defense-first team w/ any sort of playoff aspirations. And with that defense, it's clear that Lynn thinks they can be a post-season squad.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Look - I think he's wrong here. Herbert's clearly their future.

Buuuuuut - I think we've seen what Lynn thinks about his football team. He thinks this is a SB caliber defense w/ an offense that can grind out wins if his QB doesn't do anything to cut their throats.

And he's probably right w/r/t the defense - that's a hell of a tough unit. So I think he's looking at the next 6 weeks or so and thinking "okay, I don't have a full install w/ Herbert because he doesn't quite know the playbook..." and that's a fair belief. Herbert DID screw the pooch on that 3rd down inside the 5. And Herbert DID make a back-breaking rookie mistake on that interception. I mean that was a truly awful decision.

So Lynn's probably thinking that if he can pull off 4-2 w/ Taylor and his savage defense winning game 20-13 over the next 6 weeks, Herbert can come far enough along to maybe be able to add some nitrous to the offense down the stretch.

He doesn't want Herbert's growing pains to cost him a win or two over this first half of the season, a win that could keep them out of the post-season. If he can use Herbert as a bullpen of sorts, where Taylor keeps them alive for 5 innings and then Herbert comes in more fully formed over the latter 1/3 - 1/2 of the season to take things to the next level, maybe he can take advantage of the expanded playoff field and do some damage.

He's trying to get the best of both worlds, IMO. He's trying to ensure that they don't do anything to actively cost themselves a win or two that may cost them the playoffs while further coaching up/teaching Herbert so he can come in with a full playbook later on.

The starter has to deal with weekly installs - it's a different role than the holistic learning of the offense that Herbert still needs to do, IMO. If he can let Taylor focus on weekly gameplanning while Herbert continues to focus his attention on a more 1,000 mile understanding of the system, it will make Herbert more prepared for the end-game in December(ish) when he may be able to make them playoff dangerous.

I think Lynn understands how thin their margin for error here is so he's trying to walk it as best he can.

It's not what I'd do because I don't have as much confidence in his team as he does. But he clearly thinks this team can win with its D and be a truly dangerous post-season squad. In the meantime, he doesn't want Herbert making those 2-3 major mistakes/gm that could cut their throat.

Because lets face it - Herbert's 2nd half featured one good throw and 2 very significant, game-changing mistakes. And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

I understand his reasoning here even if it isn't what I'd have done.

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

How does slapping training wheels on Herbert and limping your offense along help the Chargers OR Justin Herbert?

I'm not saying keep him on the pine all year - I'm saying that another 6-8 weeks as a backup won't fundamentally alter his trajectory and in fact may speed his long-term development along by allowing him to focus on learning the technical aspects of quarterbacking AND the overarching concepts of an NFL offense.

Your plan is playing Herbert just to play him. It doesn't make the Chargers better and it doesn't make Herbert better. It just plays the rookie because he's there.

You don't take a kid as green as Herbert is and try to play his slice while trying to correct it on the fly.

Let the kid learn and give him his live-fire run in the latter half of the season. The Chargers are better in the near and long term that way and Justin Herbert will likely benefit over any meaningful timeline from it as well.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How does slapping training wheels on Herbert and limping your offense along help the Chargers OR Justin Herbert?

I'm not saying keep him on the pine all year - I'm saying that another 6-8 weeks as a backup won't fundamentally alter his trajectory and in fact may speed his long-term development along by allowing him to focus on learning the technical aspects of quarterbacking AND the overarching concepts of an NFL offense.

Your plan is playing Herbert just to play him. It doesn't make the Chargers better and it doesn't make Herbert better. It just plays the rookie because he's there.

You don't take a kid as green as Herbert is and try to play his slice while trying to correct it on the fly.

Let the kid learn and give him his live-fire run in the latter half of the season. The Chargers are better in the near and long term that way and Justin Herbert will likely benefit over any meaningful timeline from it as well.

You can't get greener than Carson wentz and Josh Allen. Herbert isn't going to be ruined unless hes easily rattled or his mechanics are a complete mess. Doubt that's the case. He is way less green than mahomes was. He gives the team a better chance of winning now than tyrod and the in game experience is incredibly valuable. And he has a perfect situation where the team can help him out. I just don't see the downside of playing him. It's just not as risky these days to immediately throw a qb into the fire.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can't get greener than Carson wentz and Josh Allen. Herbert isn't going to be ruined unless hes easily rattled or his mechanics are a complete mess. Doubt that's the case. He is way less green than mahomes was. He gives the team a better chance of winning now than tyrod and the in game experience is incredibly valuable. And he has a perfect situation where the team can help him out. I just don't see the downside of playing him. It's just not as risky these days to immediately throw a qb into the fire.

Why? How?

What did he do on Sunday that Taylor doesn't do? None of his scoring drives were beyond Taylor's ability and both of his major mistakes are mistakes that Taylor doesn't make.

What have you seen to suggest that he's clearly a superior option to Taylor?

Tyrod Taylor isn't Matt Cassel. He's not an actively bad quarterback. He's a veteran placeholder who will make your team exactly as good as it is.

The downside is EXACTLY what you saw in the 2nd half of that game Sunday when he was more responsible for the Chargers losing that ballgame than anything Anthony Lynn did. He simply was not as good as you seem to think he was and you're hand-waiving his mistakes while simultaneously saying "What's the worst that could happen" - uh...exactly what DID happen.