Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[ToxSocks]

And lastly, no, Tyrod Taylor is NOT Alex Smith.

Tyrod Taylor makes Alex Smith look like ****ing Brett Favre.

[DJ's left nut]

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

Lynn is extremely well respected throughout the league. I don't think that's by accident.

I'm positive I'm not giving this more thought than he is.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

Lynn is extremely well respected throughout the league. I don't think that's by accident.

I'm positive I'm not giving this more thought than he is.

I don't doubt that, either. I have been very impressed by Lynn's teams and they have consistently slowed down Andy's offense and Pat. If your fans are asking "wtf is wrong with our elite offense" four matchups in a row vs. an opponent, then it's time to acknowledge that your opponent is doing something right. IF Herbert turns into 2017 Alex, then SD is going to be a formidable rival for some time.

I just don't agree with his logic here, likely due to being a jaded Chiefs fan in that capacity. For a game Herbert might lose due to a rookie lapse, Tyrod might lose it for underthrowing an open receiver in clutch time. Herbert could also be Drew Lock, and benefitted from a lack of scouting/preparedness on the KC side. Hell, even Osweiler looked like a game manager for half a season. It's like when your Cardinals throw out some BS 29 year old journeyman pitcher who has zero scouting and who tosses a 3~ ish ERA for half a season before signing with another team and getting ass-blasted the next year. It's definitely possible Herbert still has some major gaps that Lynn feels need to be worked through in practice. With the state the Chargers are in, I just don't see Herbert's floor being considerably lower than Taylor's, which is why I disagree with the decision.

It's also worth mentioning that this quote came from an interview that where Lynn was largely super complementary of Herbert and repeated on multiple occasions that he was the QBOTF.

You just know the pressure is going to grow exponentially with each loss where Taylor is under center, and I can't blame Chargers fans who want their QBOTF leading the way, especially after Sunday's performance.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Herbert could also be Drew Lock, and benefitted from a lack of scouting/preparedness on the KC side.

Maybe. But here's what's obvious to me:

Herbert is more willing to throw downfield. His arm is strong and the ball comes out with velocity and zip.

He's more athletic, bigger body, faster and probably better able to absorb and dish a hit than Taylor.

Herbert displayed speed, athleticism and a live, accurate arm.

The offense seemed to have responded well to Herbert.

Just based off Hard Knocks, the team is already a big believer in Herbert. THEY know he's the more talented QB. The players on the team aren't dumb. Herbert is clearly a superior talent.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

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Of course he thinks Taylor gives him the best chance. It's part of the reason Rivers is gone and why he wanted to bench Rivers last season.

That doesn't make him right.

It's loyal to a fault. You and i both know that that kind of shit runs rampant in the league.

He was NEVER, EVER going to bench Taylor after an injury, the man he appointed to lead this team, the man who he wanted leading this team since last season. And judging by Hard Knocks, the captain and leader of that offense.

He'll bench his ass for poor performance though, especially now after seeing what the rookie can do, his hand will practically be forced.

Ya'll who are remembering Taylor as some competent game manager are thinking back to his Buffalo days....but dudes that was 4-6 years ago.

Lately he's been a freakin' 50% career passer.

I'm telling you right now man, that Chargers offense in week 1 vs week 2 looked like an entirely different animal. And that's with the rookie running a Tyrod game plan.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Of course he thinks Taylor gives him the best chance. It's part of the reason Rivers is gone and why he wanted to bench Rivers last season.

That doesn't make him right.

It's loyal to a fault. You and i both know that that kind of shit runs rampant in the league.

He was NEVER, EVER going to bench Taylor after an injury, the man he appointed to lead this team, the man who he wanted leading this team since last season. And judging by Hard Knocks, the captain and leader of that offense.

He'll bench his ass for poor performance though, especially now after seeing what the rookie can do, his hand will practically be forced.

Ya'll who are remembering Taylor as some competent game manager are thinking back to his Buffalo days....but dudes that was 4-6 years ago.

Lately he's been a freakin' 50% career passer.

I'm telling you right now man, that Chargers offense in week 1 vs week 2 looked like an entirely different animal. And that's with the rookie running a Tyrod game plan.

The Chargers would've had a better record w/ Taylor than Rivers. By a lot.

Lynn is trying to force this team into a particular mold, yes - because that's the talent he HAS. Of course he's trying to build a hard-nosed, defense first identity because that's where most of his talent is.

Why shouldn't he be doing that? He has to win games with his defense and that's damn near impossible w/ someone like Rivers giving opponents the ball with short fields.

Yes, he wants an offense that won't take anything off the table. With that team, in this division, why is that such a stupid thought process? He's trying to put the assets he has to their best use.

And again, if Taylor IS the 50% passer he demonstrated in Cleveland as opposed to the 60% guy he was in Buffalo, Lynn still has the Herbert card to play.

He doesn't have to play it yet and no, Herbert didn't force his hand last week. Herbert COULD have. Make another throw after the throw to Allen to get it into the end zone rather than settle for 3. Run for the first and finish THAT drive instead of throw a pick. Don't !@#$ up the direction on a hand-off inside the 4 yard line on 3rd down.

There are things he could've done to make this choice a lot harder for Lynn. Making one truly good throw and then just otherwise not puking on your shoes (often) doesn't really qualify.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Chargers would've had a better record w/ Taylor than Rivers. By a lot.

Lynn is trying to force this team into a particular mold, yes - because that's the talent he HAS. Of course he's trying to build a hard-nosed, defense first identity because that's where most of his talent is.

Why shouldn't he be doing that? He has to win games with his defense and that's damn near impossible w/ someone like Rivers giving opponents the ball with short fields.

Yes, he wants an offense that won't take anything off the table. With that team, in this division, why is that such a stupid thought process? He's trying to put the assets he has to their best use.

And again, if Taylor IS the 50% passer he demonstrated in Cleveland as opposed to the 60% guy he was in Buffalo, Lynn still has the Herbert card to play.

He doesn't have to play it yet and no, Herbert didn't force his hand last week. Herbert COULD have. Make another throw after the throw to Allen to get it into the end zone rather than settle for 3. Run for the first and finish THAT drive instead of throw a pick. Don't !@#$ up the direction on a hand-off inside the 4 yard line on 3rd down.

There are things he could've done to make this choice a lot harder for Lynn. Making one truly good throw and then just otherwise not puking on your shoes (often) doesn't really qualify.

Lynn is delaying the inevitable in favor of a few more loses, and he's doing it out of loyalty and fear.

Taylor will come out and continue to be a sub-par passer and then his hand will be forced, and the loses will be all for nothing. By the time he gives up on Taylor it'll be too late.

Because again, he doesn't want to deal with rookie mistakes, despite what benefits may come with it.

[ToxSocks]

They're a better team with Herbert in there, but they have a coach that's so afraid of mistakes that he'd rather roll with steady-eddie and his 50% completion rate if that means his QB won't turn the wrong direction during the hand-off.

[St. Patty's Fire]

It’d be funny if he was lying and all this arguing was over nothing lol

I wouldn’t write that scenario off either. NFL coaches lie and lie and lie.

[gold_and_red]

How much of the debate is because of playing Mahomes close? If the Chargers had lost similarly to a bad divisional rival like the Broncos I wonder if Herbert would receive the same support.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

How much of the debate is because of playing Mahomes close? If the Chargers had lost similarly to a bad divisional rival like the Broncos I wonder if Herbert would receive the same support.

It's all about expectations.

[DJ's left nut]

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

While I thought (and still think) Herbert will be a bust, I still thought he was clearly better than Taylor after our game.

Now, not so much.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

While I thought (and still think) Herbert will be a bust, I still thought he was clearly better than Taylor after our game.

Now, not so much.

I really needed a re-watch to realize how firmly mediocre he was in the Chiefs game.

It was all training wheels, all the time (and justifiably so) - and the dude STILL made 2 massive mistakes that cost them the game.

I'm not on the Hebert's a Bust train or anything - but man I think he's gonna be up and down. He wasn't a top 10 caliber prospect, IMO - there's just too much variance there. At the same time, you can't win in this league without a top 10 QB and he DOES occasionally demonstrate that kind of talent.

So taking him where they did is defensible given how critical the position is.

I do recognize that he has a strong arm and plus athleticism - but he's an erratic decisionmaker with accuracy that comes and goes. That may change in a year or two but it damn sure hasn't changed in 9 months. He's still that same guy.

Chargers fans (and the national media) trying to convince themselves otherwise are doing him a disservice. They're setting the bar too high for him and he WILL fail.

Ultimately Taylor's probably gonna miss 3-4 more games and if so, Herbert's just gonna keep the job by default. Either he'll win a few games and Lynn 'rides the hot hand' or they lose a few more and ultimately it's a lost season. The decision was largely made for him.

But ultimately Herbert ain't ready for this gig.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

I was all in on Carolina moneyline because Herbert is still a rookie and I trusted Teddy more in that spot. LAC defense Super Bowl was against us.