Football Trade possibilities

htismaqe · 10-29-2020, 07:49 AM

Zach Cunningham has about $4.5M left on his contract. We might be able to make that fit.

UChieffyBugger · 10-29-2020, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Zach Cunningham has about $4.5M left on his contract. We might be able to make that fit.

Thanks for the info!!..with Myles Jack could Veach potentially move some pieces to make it work though? Or is that not possible? And who do you think is the better fit in KC out of Jack and Cunningham? Both are 25 so could be here for years.

htismaqe · 10-29-2020, 07:56 AM

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Thanks for the info!!..with Myles Jack could Veach potentially move some pieces to make it work though? Or is that not possible? And who do you think is the better fit in KC out of Jack and Cunningham? Both are 25 so could be here for years.

I honestly don't think it's worth it.

They don't need a LB so bad that they should shuffle other pieces to make it work.

They need more OL help more than anything and with only $5.5M in cap room, a LB just doesn't seem like a great use.

UChieffyBugger · 10-29-2020, 08:02 AM

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I honestly don't think it's worth it.

They don't need a LB so bad that they should shuffle other pieces to make it work.

They need more OL help more than anything and with only $5.5M in cap room, a LB just doesn't seem like a great use.

A good LB could help with both coverage and against the run though. Getting a stud LB is much better than getting an average OL or pass-rusher imo. We already have plenty of those...we don't have a stud LB (though Gay does look like he will be eventually).

O.city · 10-29-2020, 08:05 AM

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A good LB could help with both coverage and against the run though. Getting a stud LB is much better than getting an average OL or pass-rusher imo. We already have plenty of those...we don't have a stud LB (though Gay does look like he will be eventually).

From a cap standpoint, you're gonna have to have Gay become that guy. They've invested so much in the DL and the safeties, financially it just isn't in the cards.

htismaqe · 10-29-2020, 08:15 AM

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A good LB could help with both coverage and against the run though. Getting a stud LB is much better than getting an average OL or pass-rusher imo. We already have plenty of those...we don't have a stud LB (though Gay does look like he will be eventually).

The difference between a good LB and a stud LB in terms of performance isn't commensurate with the up-charge against the cap.

In other words, a true stud LB costs way more than he's worth in a defense like this. The idea that a defense needs a stud LB is kind of an outdated concept anyway. What modern defenses really need is a utility safety like Tryann Mathieu. That's far more important than LB.

Also, I think people need to get past the idea that a team with $5.5M in cap space is going to upgrade any position right now. Anybody that comes over now is going to be depth for the most part.

UChieffyBugger · 10-29-2020, 10:25 AM

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The difference between a good LB and a stud LB in terms of performance isn't commensurate with the up-charge against the cap.

In other words, a true stud LB costs way more than he's worth in a defense like this. The idea that a defense needs a stud LB is kind of an outdated concept anyway. What modern defenses really need is a utility safety like Tryann Mathieu. That's far more important than LB.

Also, I think people need to get past the idea that a team with $5.5M in cap space is going to upgrade any position right now. Anybody that comes over now is going to be depth for the most part.

Wouldn't our defense be much better with someone who is an upgrade over Neiman? You know it makes sense

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htismaqe · 10-29-2020, 10:36 AM

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Wouldn't our defense be much better with someone who is an upgrade over Neiman? You know it makes sense

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Niemann's snap counts are decreasing steadily week over week.

He's actually only played 21 snaps against the run in the last 4 weeks combined.

Chief Roundup · 11-03-2020, 12:49 PM

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Thanks for the info!!..with Myles Jack could Veach potentially move some pieces to make it work though? Or is that not possible? And who do you think is the better fit in KC out of Jack and Cunningham? Both are 25 so could be here for years.

Hell no to Myles Jack. Remember when Kelce was beating him and Jack totally lost it and got kicked out of the game? He has stability issues.

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UChieffyBugger · 11-03-2020, 12:52 PM

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Hell no to Myles Jack. Remember when Kelce was beating him and Jack totally lost it and got kicked out of the game? He has stability issues.

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Yes he blew up that day but that's one issue during a time when his team was getting rolled all over the field...at least he showed some fight

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O.city · 10-29-2020, 07:53 AM

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Zach Cunningham has about $4.5M left on his contract. We might be able to make that fit.

I'm not sure how pressing the need for a LB is at this point anyway. The ones here are playing pretty well.

I'd look for some pass rush help or IOL help before that atleast.

htismaqe · 10-29-2020, 07:59 AM

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I'm not sure how pressing the need for a LB is at this point anyway. The ones here are playing pretty well.

I'd look for some pass rush help or IOL help before that atleast.

I would definitely look at IOL before LB.

I don't see LB as a huge need, especially considering how much nickel they run.

tatorhog · 10-29-2020, 08:09 AM

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I would definitely look at IOL before LB.

I don't see LB as a huge need, especially considering how much nickel they run.

I agree with you. IMO we miss LDT way more than I was expecting. I like how Kilgore has stepped in for Reiter, and Allegretti has shown some upside (although I'm not convinced he's a long term starter). I'm not a fan of Wylie, at all. I would love to see someone replace him as of yesterday.

Chiefsfan1 · 10-29-2020, 08:17 AM

Frankly, I'm just not seeing any move that makes sense to give up any high value draft picks. Definitely not for anyone who's 30+ years old or has a big contract (especially with the salary cap going down significantly next season).

A trade for someone like Quinnen Williams would make a lot of sense (former third overall pick with tons of upside & potential for interior pass rush that you could place next to Chris Jones, also good against the run; he's still on his rookie contract for a few years with a 5th year option available, so his contract without the signing bonus is very palatable for the Chiefs before that 5th year, and any extension wouldn't come into play until Chris Jones' current contract is up and the Chiefs may have moved on from Frank Clark at that point, so the timing would work well), but if you believe Adam Gase, he's not available for trade.

I'm all for standing pat with our draft picks unless a trade similar to the above is available and could be done in a reasonable way (no to any trade involving multiple first round picks or a 1 & a 2), outside of perhaps a super under the radar move that could be a player for player swap or a trade using a 2021 7th round pick or future 6th or 7th round pick.

JakeF · 10-29-2020, 05:04 PM

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I would definitely look at IOL before LB.

I don't see LB as a huge need, especially considering how much nickel they run.

It's like we are playing defense without any linebackers at all. That hurts our run defense and our TE/RB coverage. It really shows when we use Safeties at LB.

A stud LB would help a ton in my book.

We can definitely use an upgrade at C/G though too. We have to keep Mahomes alive. If he gets skittish it would be a huge blow to the franchise.

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Chiefsfan1 Starter Join Date: Mar 2019 Casino cash: $3780400	Frankly, I'm just not seeing any move that makes sense to give up any high value draft picks. Definitely not for anyone who's 30+ years old or has a big contract (especially with the salary cap going down significantly next season). A trade for someone like Quinnen Williams would make a lot of sense (former third overall pick with tons of upside & potential for interior pass rush that you could place next to Chris Jones, also good against the run; he's still on his rookie contract for a few years with a 5th year option available, so his contract without the signing bonus is very palatable for the Chiefs before that 5th year, and any extension wouldn't come into play until Chris Jones' current contract is up and the Chiefs may have moved on from Frank Clark at that point, so the timing would work well), but if you believe Adam Gase, he's not available for trade. I'm all for standing pat with our draft picks unless a trade similar to the above is available and could be done in a reasonable way (no to any trade involving multiple first round picks or a 1 & a 2), outside of perhaps a super under the radar move that could be a player for player swap or a trade using a 2021 7th round pick or future 6th or 7th round pick.
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