The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs aren't taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round.

This isn't 1960 or 1970 or 1980 or 1990 or 2000 or even 2010.

This is a different Chiefs team that's built on skill players and a QB, not on the offensive line, which can be fleeting at best.

How well did the Cowboys do after loading up their offensive line with 1st round picks while starting a 4th round QB?

Or how about those Browns?

Eric Fisher.

I know that was under Dorsey, but it’s still the Andy Reid era.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Eric Fisher.

I know that was under Dorsey, but it’s still the Andy Reid era.

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

Go Chiefs

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Go Chiefs

There's not a chance in the world that the Chiefs take a tackle at #32 when their WR corp for 2021 consists of Hill and Pringle.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There's not a chance in the world that the Chiefs take a tackle at #32 when their WR corp for 2021 consists of Hill and Pringle.

Wow Hardman is so bad you completely forgot about him?

I'd still be targeting WR, DE, S in the 1st.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Wow Hardman is so bad you completely forgot about him?

Yeah, I guess so.

Originally Posted by Chargem

I'd still be targeting WR, DE, S in the 1st.

I'm good with WR, DE or even CB in the 1st but considering they have Thornhill and Mathieu, I don't see the logic in spending the #32 overall pick on a safety.

I can see them grabbing another safety in the 4th or 5th but not in the first.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

I said that last year about running back.

I think you're probably right, but we're in a different era now. It's a different thing when you're a championship football team trying to stay on top as opposed to trying to get there.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I said that last year about running back.

I think you're probably right, but we're in a different era now. It's a different thing when you're a championship football team trying to stay on top as opposed to trying to get there.

Yeah, we're in a different era. An era ruled by offensive skill players and defensive specialists.

It would be a terrible waste of resources for them to spend a 1st round pick on an interior offensive lineman. Championship teams aren't built that way.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I said that last year about running back..

I thought the Chiefs would take a running back as early as #32 but with met with "**** that! The Chiefs need a guard or a center!".

If the Chiefs had taken a guard or center, there's not a chance in the world that they'd be 15-2 today.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think you're probably right, but we're in a different era now. It's a different thing when you're a championship football team trying to stay on top as opposed to trying to get there.

As Reid has proven since his arrival in 2013, his offense isn't about offensive lineman but about the QB and skill position players.

People on CP used to complain that Brady was so good that the Patriots could just plug in anyone off the street and win Super Bowls but when the Chiefs are doing the same exact thing, people continue to bitch that the offensive line "isn't good enough".

The game has changed completely. You don't need 5 1st rounders to protect a QB for 2.2 seconds.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I thought the Chiefs would take a running back as early as #32 but with met with "**** that! The Chiefs need a guard or a center!".

If the Chiefs had taken a guard or center, there's not a chance in the world that they'd be 15-2 today.



As Reid has proven since his arrival in 2013, his offense isn't about offensive lineman but about the QB and skill position players.

People on CP used to complain that Brady was so good that the Patriots could just plug in anyone off the street and win Super Bowls but when the Chiefs are doing the same exact thing, people continue to bitch that the offensive line "isn't good enough".

The game has changed completely. You don't need 5 1st rounders to protect a QB for 2.2 seconds.

1)CEH was a great pick, no doubt. But I don't think anyone's saying that we need to drop our #1 on a guard. The Bills sold out to stop big passing plays, and so we ran it down their throats behind Allegretti and Kilgore almost exclusively, and both of those guys are better run blockers than they players they replaced. We have some issues running the ball; I don't think it's all about the backs. We have some issues in pass pro- we have issues controlling the line of scrimmage. I think Reiter's pretty lousy whatever some guy at CBS thinks. If he's going to get $11 million, good for him. We can do better anyway, which is really my point. Add to that Schwartz is MIA and big guys with bad backs over 30 don't usually get better and I think there's cause for maybe looking at restocking the line. That's not crazy.

2) obviously, Reid's offense is about skill position players; and we have Hill, Kelce, Hardman, and CEH for 2021 as well as Pringle who looks at least as good as Robinson. Watkins never plays anyway so whatever. It's probably time to draft some new blood in there for depth and development but I'll remind you that only CEH is a #1, and that was at #32. Other than Mahomes, of course, who is what really makes things go. No rookie WR is going to start anyway, it's not gonna happen. The offense is too complicated.

3)I don't think anyone's saying we need to spend a bunch of #1's on the line. Reid and Veach thus far have taken the path of UDFA and low picks in numbers to develop and hit on one here and there. That's cool, and cost effective. It's just that we might want to move it up the priority list a little and maybe get a guy that's more ready to play sooner than later, as we've got one quality starter under contract for 2021 that might be healthy. That's it. ONE. And Fisher's had injury problems that last two years too. Actually, I like Alegretti, so call it two. Like on the whole line.

4) Mahomes likes to chuck it 50 yards downfield. You need more than 2.2 seconds to do that, even when it's Tyreek.

I ain't mad at Veach, we had two covid opt-outs and Osemele exploded both of his knees and Schwart's back is ****ed and Fisher's back was ****ed, and shit happens.

I don't think it's nuts to maybe spend a mid round pick (you know, kind of like Veach and Reid did last season) on an offensive lineman.

Also-I said when we signed Bell (and before, when people wanted to sign him before the season) that his style wasn't a very good fit for a team with a less than average line. That's kind of just proven out.

Darrel Williams is a fine 3rd back. That's all. He's a role player.

Damien can't be a bellcow, he can't stay healthy, you're right. Of course, with CEH here, he becomes the #2. That's probably fine.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

1)CEH was a great pick, no doubt. But I don't think anyone's saying that we need to drop our #1 on a guard. The Bills sold out to stop big passing plays, and so we ran it down their throats behind Allegretti and Kilgore almost exclusively, and both of those guys are better run blockers than they players they replaced. We have some issues running the ball; I don't think it's all about the backs. We have some issues in pass pro- we have issues controlling the line of scrimmage. I think Reiter's pretty lousy whatever some guy at CBS thinks. If he's going to get $11 million, good for him. We can do better anyway, which is really my point. Add to that Schwartz is MIA and big guys with bad backs over 30 don't usually get better and I think there's cause for maybe looking at restocking the line. That's not crazy.

It is most certainly about the running backs. Does anyone really think that Damien Williams wouldn't have been a huge upgrade over Darwin Award Thompson, Leveon Bell and Darrel Williams?

Even you just stated that they ran the ball effectively against the Bills and that was with three replacements on the offensive line.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

2) obviously, Reid's offense is about skill position players; and we have Hill, Kelce, Hardman, and CEH for 2021 as well as Pringle who looks at least as good as Robinson. Watkins never plays anyway so whatever. It's probably time to draft some new blood in there for depth and development but I'll remind you that only CEH is a #1, and that was at #32. Other than Mahomes, of course, who is what really makes things go. No rookie WR is going to start anyway, it's not gonna happen. The offense is too complicated.

Pringle is a JAG and I don't buy the idea that a rookie wide receiver couldn't compete in Week 1, especially since we've seen so many rookies over the past two years impress, regardless of the system.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

3)I don't think anyone's saying we need to spend a bunch of #1's on the line. Reid and Veach thus far have taken the path of UDFA and low picks in numbers to develop and hit on one here and there. That's cool, and cost effective. It's just that we might want to move it up the priority list a little and maybe get a guy that's more ready to play sooner than later, as we've got one quality starter under contract for 2021 that might be healthy. That's it. ONE. And Fisher's had injury problems that last two years too. Actually, I like Alegretti, so call it two. Like on the whole line.

LDT will be returning in 2021, so the Chiefs have their Left Tackle, Left Guard and Right Guard under contract next season, along with Schwartz, who until he announces his retirement, is still on the roster.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

4) Mahomes likes to chuck it 50 yards downfield. You need more than 2.2 seconds to do that, even when it's Tyreek.

Mahomes has a quick release when he wants to use it but you can't blame the offensive line for not holding their blocks for 7 seconds at a time in order for Mahomes to find the open man downfield.

That's going to happen whether or not the Chiefs have their current personnel or replaced them with five 1st round draft picks. That's asking WAY too much from the lineman.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't think it's nuts to maybe spend a mid round pick (you know, kind of like Veach and Reid did last season) on an offensive lineman.

I don't think that anyone would disagree that the Chiefs should spend a Day 3 pick on at least one offensive lineman.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Also-I said when we signed Bell (and before, when people wanted to sign him before the season) that his style wasn't a very good fit for a team with a less than average line. That's kind of just proven out.

Who wanted to "sign" Bell before the season and how could the Chiefs "sign him" when he was under contract to the Jets?

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Damien can't be a bellcow, he can't stay healthy, you're right. Of course, with CEH here, he becomes the #2. That's probably fine.

Williams will be 29 to start the season and won't have played organized football in more than 18 months to start the 2021 season.

I hope he's healthy but there's no way the Chiefs should go into the season thinking that their running back situation has been resolved for the foreseeable future.