Guys, it's not negotiable. You need to give Mahomes premium weapons in your mocks.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We aren't getting Bateman.

Dyami Brown is meh. He can play and be a suitable #2. The analytics guys love him but I see a guy who delays routes to stutter step open. That won't fly at the next level. Weak at catch point.

Maybe he can be a Gabe Davis but I still think Davis is overrated.

Glad you noticed that. Split end x receivers that don't get a free release from the slot or Z like guys like Toney did for a majority of their careers often use jab and stutter steps to set up the defender and get by them. It's a good trait. He doesn't do it when he's not facing press.

You don't average 20 ypc by sucking ass and getting open too slow.

[Kiimo]

Trade up for Rashod Bateman. He's Sammy V2

[Chris Meck]

I'm all in on Amari Rodgers. I also like Nico Collins.

I think either would be great 'X' guys for the Chiefs.

Different skillsets but I think either could work great.

[Bowser]

A viable receiver at the X and a viable receiving #2 TE. That's what I want from this draft and/or FA period. Throw the entire rest of the draft at fatties on both sides of the ball (an EDGE or two wouldn't hurt out of the draft as well), and I'm a happy guy.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Throw the entire rest of the draft at fatties on both sides of the ball

No way.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No way.

(I just really want a true X and a true #2 TE, that's all. I know we need depth everywhere, but please baby Jesus, just give me those two things. )

[kccrow]

Came across this little gem on Dyami Brown.

[Bowser]

Mock drafts on these sites being what they are, Dyami Brown is pretty consistently available in the 3/4 rounds. Is his weight a concern? Everything else looks pretty damned appealing, not seeing why he would drop that low with his production the last couple of seasons at UNC.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Mock drafts on these sites being what they are, Dyami Brown is pretty consistently available in the 3/4 rounds. Is his weight a concern? Everything else looks pretty damned appealing, not seeing why he would drop that low with his production the last couple of seasons at UNC.

The two things I think people focus on are:

• He had some concentration drops last year in a couple of games, notably the FSU game. I don't know that it's a problem, as it never seemed to be something that stuck out game after game, but people find every way possible to knock a guy this time of year.
• He doesn't create after the catch quite as well as some other prospects.

I don't think either are deal-breakers for me but maybe they are for some. I'll take the kid that runs phenomenal routes over most other traits all day long in the NFL. Just marry him to the jugs machine for a couple of seasons just to be safe haha.

He may be a very top of the 3rd player but he's certainly not a bottom of the 3rd. If the Chiefs like him, I think he's gotta be the pick at 63.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The two things I think people focus on are:

• He had some concentration drops last year in a couple of games, notably the FSU game. I don't know that it's a problem, as it never seemed to be something that stuck out game after game, but people find every way possible to knock a guy this time of year.
• He doesn't create after the catch quite as well as some other prospects.

I don't think either are deal-breakers for me but maybe they are for some. I'll take the kid that runs phenomenal routes over most other traits all day long in the NFL. Just marry him to the jugs machine for a couple of seasons just to be safe haha.

He may be a very top of the 3rd player but he's certainly not a bottom of the 3rd. If the Chiefs like him, I think he's gotta be the pick at 63.

For Dyami it is not about deal breaking as deal making. I don't see anything that doesn't say more than just a guy NFL.

He has good size but doesn't use it. Doesn't have go get the ball ability or burner traits. And the route running is not NFL plus either.

So he will be playable in the NFL. Just don't see impact..kinda different but I felt similarly when Zay Jones was being promoted over Godwin and JuJu.

Then again, maybe we just see this WR class differently because you said you don't like Waddle and for me he is WR #1..even over Chase.

There is wow there.

[el borracho]

What does everyone think about Imatorbhebhe at the end of the 5th?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by el borracho

What does everyone think about Imatorbhebhe at the end of the 5th?

Another guy that seems to always be there in the mid rounds. From that highlight reel, everything looks good. Great hands, fights for the ball, separates in space. It would be nice to have him or someone of his stature on goal to go across from Kelce.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by el borracho

What does everyone think about Imatorbhebhe at the end of the 5th?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

For Dyami it is not about deal breaking as deal making. I don't see anything that doesn't say more than just a guy NFL.

He has good size but doesn't use it. Doesn't have go get the ball ability or burner traits. And the route running is not NFL plus either.

So he will be playable in the NFL. Just don't see impact..kinda different but I felt similarly when Zay Jones was being promoted over Godwin and JuJu.

No offense to you personally, I just don't agree on his route running at all and neither does about 99.999% of everyone else that watches him. I don't know what you're watching to give you that opinion if I'm trying to be honest with you. If you think that a guy like Marshall runs good routes and Dyami Brown doesn't, then I think I'd ask you to explain it in extreme detail because your opinion doesn't match not only mine but anybody else's that critiques it.

Rashod Bateman and Dyami Brown are two of the most prolific route runners in this class, yet I see you routinely champion other receivers based on some other trait, whether it be size or agility, and neither is in any way indicative of route running acumen. You can watch Brown ditch really good CBs like Samuel, AJ Terrell, and the list goes on because he has A+ foot quickness, has a great burst off the line, and flips his hips extremely quick in stride to produce crisp routes for a college player.

As for speed, Brown ran a 4.49 when he got to NC and I'd assume he'd run in the mid 4.4s now. That's no slouch by any means.

Now, I will give you that he doesn't go get the ball in hard traffic as strongly as some receivers but in a group of those of equivocal size, I'd say he does it adequately. He's not going to be the same as a 6'3" 220 receiver whose entire game is largely predicated on doing exactly that.

I was equivocally high on Chris Godwin coming out. Bateman is alot like him and maybe even better as a prospect. Brown is solidly 20 lbs lighter and an inch shorter than either of them. They are not identical comparisons.

I think a very favorable comp in the NFL right now is Robert Woods.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No offense to you personally, I just don't agree on his route running at all and neither does about 99.999% of everyone else that watches him. I don't know what you're watching to give you that opinion if I'm trying to be honest with you. If you think that a guy like Marshall runs good routes and Dyami Brown doesn't, then I think I'd ask you to explain it in extreme detail because your opinion doesn't match not only mine but anybody else's that critiques it.

Rashod Bateman and Dyami Brown are two of the most prolific route runners in this class, yet I see you routinely champion other receivers based on some other trait, whether it be size or agility, and neither is in any way indicative of route running acumen. You can watch Brown ditch really good CBs like Samuel, AJ Terrell, and the list goes on because he has A+ foot quickness, has a great burst off the line, and flips his hips extremely quick in stride to produce crisp routes for a college player.

As for speed, Brown ran a 4.49 when he got to NC and I'd assume he'd run in the mid 4.4s now. That's no slouch by any means.

Now, I will give you that he doesn't go get the ball in hard traffic as strongly as some receivers but in a group of those of equivocal size, I'd say he does it adequately. He's not going to be the same as a 6'3" 220 receiver whose entire game is largely predicated on doing exactly that.

I was equivocally high on Chris Godwin coming out. Bateman is alot like him and maybe even better as a prospect. Brown is solidly 20 lbs lighter and an inch shorter than either of them. They are not identical comparisons.

I think a very favorable comp in the NFL right now is Robert Woods.

No offense need be taken. I want people to overdraft Dyami Brown in fantasy. You are right , analytics Twitter loves Dyami.

I don't see Robert Woods at all.