LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by kccrow

This is exactly the opinion that gets spewed here as if it's justification for how good Veach does in the draft.

Direkshun is right and I brought it up weeks ago in one of the threads in the draft forum. Veach built his segment of the team with trades, free agents, and mid to late-round role player draft picks. Dorsey hit on all the major studs in the draft and is the architect of what this offense is now.

I like Veach, but he has yet to prove he is without fault. We have only seen modest returns to date on early draft capital. We'll see just how good 2020 was this year. None of his top 3 picks are exactly good or great players yet. Maybe they all will be, maybe none. If we look at the prior history, it's not as good as you'd hope for.

This is the year KC absolutely needs to nail the first 2 days of the draft with a couple of pillar positions. Veach has yet to draft those guys. Perhaps it all starts coming together better.

Fair points.

I still feel like he's the best overall GM we've had in at least 25 years. His ability to juggle the salary cap to this point has been masterful, and he's hit more than he's missed. Agree 100% that the first few rounds this year are absolutely critical (Weird saying that coming off back to back SB's, but it's true).

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by Bowser

We've been to three AFC Championship games in a row and back to back Super Bowls. People saying Veach isn't doing his job are likely just miserable people looking to complain about something. Clearly we have forgotten everything about the tail end of Carl's time, Executive of the Decade's time, and John Dorsey who never quite understood the principles of the salary cap.

Veach is ****ing killing it for us, even if all of his drafted players aren't all-pro's by their second season.

48-16 Pretty good fitting revolving jigsaw pieces into winning teams.

[RealSNR]

Also, remember Fat Scott's first year? I'll take the Chiefs 2018 draft over the 2009 draft ANY day of the week. Don't forget: his offseason plan was to treat year one as an "evaluation year." Those were his own words.

I know he had less to work with on the team than either Veach or Dorsey, but that's a bunch of bullshit.

Fitting that the mother****er can't find another GM job and is stuck being a guest on sports shows along with his butt buddy Mangina.

Ex-Patriot leeches talking about the Patriot Way for life!

[MahomesMagic]

Keep in mind that the Patriots have been below average at drafting and put together the greatest NFL run of all time.

They had HOF coach, HOF QB and killed value Free Agency.

We have HOF coach, HOF QB, killing value Free Agency AND we are now drafting well. Just keep adding good players and we are going to win a lot more Super Bowls.

Maybe Thornhill and Snead are the home runs we have been looking for as well.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think some of the Chiefs media heads have been way too tough on Veach’s recent drafts, personally.

If Thornhill doesn’t tear his ACL, he might have been a pro bowl quality player in 2020. I think that’s what he will become in 2021. The Hardman pick is what it is, they needed a speed replacement for Hill at the time. It turned out for the best even if the pick hasn’t been a homerun since we still have Tyreek.

This 2020 draft class looks really strong and if Gay and Niang become quality starters, that’s an ‘A’ draft class for me.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I think some of the Chiefs media heads have been way too tough on Veach’s recent drafts, personally.

If Thornhill doesn’t tear his ACL, he might have been a pro bowl quality player in 2020. I think that’s what he will become in 2021. The Hardman pick is what it is, they needed a speed replacement for Hill at the time. It turned out for the best even if the pick hasn’t been a homerun since we still have Tyreek.

This 2020 draft class looks really strong and if Gay and Niang become quality starters, that’s an ‘A’ draft class for me.

Most people had Thornhill rated in the late 1st to very early 2nd. How he fell that late is still beyond me. When Veach traded up, I thought it was for him, not Hardman.

I agree, that pick is a good one. Willie Gay hasn't proved to be anything yet. Hardman is a solid slot receiver that Veach spent a mid-2nd round pick on. I'm not real keen on that. He spent a 1st on a RB. These are premium picks spent on players you routinely get in the 3rd and 4th round as value.

I give Veach a pass on OT. You don't expect two studs in this league to go down in the same year, with a year left on their contracts, and then find yourself looking to replace them. He was proactive at RT by getting a value in Niang we hope works and I think he'll be good there.

He had the ability to get some other guys though at more obvious spots to use premium picks like DE, CB, and WR. Good thing he hit on Sneed or things would be looking quite bad for the future at just about every important position on the team. Now, he can fill some of that with mid-level free agents and we'll come out winning but that's not the ideal sustainable philosophy as Pat gets more expensive.

[RunKC]

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, KeiVarae Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT only because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

I mean, has any GM ever significantly crushed the draft? I would have thought being able to do that would create a dynasty, and I can't think of any.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I mean, has any GM ever significantly crushed the draft? I would have thought being able to do that would create a dynasty, and I can't think of any.

Probably the 74 Steelers would be the closest thing with 4 HOFers. But if you're asking for just every pick being a pretty good player (at the minimum), I don't know. Somebody should look that up.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, KeiVarae Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT only because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

To be fair, Dorsey didn't want to re-sign Berry which was one of the worst contracts and decisions by the Chiefs maybe ever.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

Both players had great talent.

If Ford wasn't injury prone he goes down as a great pass rusher.

Marcus Peter is doing ok in Baltimore. He either needed different coaches or to just grow up.

both players were worth the risk

Whenever Veach takes a risk everyone cheers and talks about what a big set a balls he has. Since Dorsey is no longer a Chief, people trash him.

It's a KC thing, once you leave you are a worthless POS

Andy Reid was wrong to kick Dorsey out of town. We need more than one person running the team. Now Reid runs everything and it shows.

[MahomesMagic]

The Hardman pick will always sting a bit because Terry McLaurin was still on the board.

But I also wanted Amik and Veach's pick of Snead was way better.

[Rausch]

I'd prefer we trade down unless some talent falls 10 or 15 picks to us like a LT or CB.

Being patient and trading back can help you accumulate picks for years. Having multiple picks in the top 100 can absolutely build the foundation of your team...

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd prefer we trade down unless some talent falls 10 or 15 picks to us like a LT or CB.

Being patient and trading back can help you accumulate picks for years. Having multiple picks in the top 100 can absolutely build the foundation of your team...

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