Daniel Sorensen Is A Liability

[Boxer_Chief]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Honestly, what Mathieu is doing on the field isn't going to ever help this team either. You can't be that open about your teammates ****ing up on stage because I've watched him have his share of **** ups too. Your team stops responding to your leadership when you are blaming rather than leading. Sit the guy down and have a 1-on-1, anything, but not that shit. I understand accountability but I don't see how he's helping anyone be accountable.

And then that brings up a serious question with regards to the rest of the year, should KC trade Mathieu now for help in the front 7? Could you get Deion Jones from Atlanta for HB, for example? Any pass rushers?

Yeah I mean Tom Brady never yells at his teammates or shows them up when they mess up. Come on man, he’s trying to make them accountable. All the greats can be assholes to their teammates on the field.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Honestly, what Mathieu is doing on the field isn't going to ever help this team either. You can't be that open about your teammates ****ing up on stage because I've watched him have his share of **** ups too. Your team stops responding to your leadership when you are blaming rather than leading. Sit the guy down and have a 1-on-1, anything, but not that shit. I understand accountability but I don't see how he's helping anyone be accountable.

And then that brings up a serious question with regards to the rest of the year, should KC trade Mathieu now for help in the front 7? Could you get Deion Jones from Atlanta for HB, for example? Any pass rushers?

Why would Atlanta want HB? They suck worse than we do. If you want Jones…just trade for him.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Why would Atlanta want HB? They suck worse than we do. If you want Jones…just trade for him.

Good point. I was looking at a way to maybe improve the shit show using player capital and HB is a lot of player capital. Granted, you diminish one area for another but right now I'm alot less concerned about the secondary sans whatever you want to call Sorensen than I am with the other groups.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Good point. I was looking at a way to maybe improve the shit show using player capital and HB is a lot of player capital. Granted, you diminish one area for another but right now I'm alot less concerned about the secondary sans whatever you want to call Sorensen than I am with the other groups.

The problem is that there aren't any contenders with pass-rush depth that are willing to help us.

If you're in the AFC, there's no way you send us a pass-rusher for a DL and allow us to firm up our front 4.

And if you're in the NFC - well there just aren't any teams I can immediately think of that would match up. Maybe Green Bay would move Preston Smith for him? Amos and Savage are better served in the box at this point.

The problem is that Tyler Lancaster really isn't starting caliber in his own right and that's who they'd have to backfill for Smith. I guess they could put Gary on the line or just try to hold serve until Z'Darius is off IR (dunno when that would be).

But it's gonna be hard to find a fit.

[Chiefspants]

Tyrann lost his absolute **** in Super Bowl 54 after the Niners scored a TD to go up 20-10. It's part of who he is.

The bigger concern is why he's played like Eric Berry did in the first half of 2018.

[lcarus]

Dan's been here a long time. He's made huge plays in huge games for us. He's played his ass off on defense and special teams and done whatever was asked of him. He's been a great teammate on and off the field by all accounts. I'll always remember him fondly as a guy that helped us win a Super Bowl.

But now is now. He's not getting it done. He's giving up huge pass plays and getting embarrassed in the open field when he tries to make tackles. It's not fair to him to keep putting him out there in the current role. They have to make a change.

[MahomesMagic]

I blame Spags. Sorenson is what he is.

They should be using Thornhill more and if they don't want to tell Veach to acquire someone.

[JakeF]

Buffalo destroyed Sorenson. They targeted Sorenson in the passing game and Sorenson missed tackles in the running game.

All game long, Sorenson was getting ****ed. It was putrid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Buffalo destroyed Sorenson. They targeted Sorenson in the passing game and Sorenson missed tackles in the running game.

All game long, Sorenson was getting ****ed. It was putrid.

I think that's really the crux of the problem w/ Sorensen at this point.

Everyone gets beat on occasion. And many times guys get beat badly. The problem is that right now teams are targeting Sorensen and waiting for him to get beat. And as soon as he does, they hit it.

I don't think he's playing well or even at an NFL level, but I guarantee more of his mistakes are being exploited than most because teams are looking for them. There's blood in the water now.

From the stands you can find someone open, for both teams, on damn near every play. The issues is that the maelstrom on the field sometimes makes it difficult to locate and exploit the mistake. I think teams are essentially keying on Dan now and if/when he makes a mistake, they punish him for it.

Remember that game when Peyton Manning decided that on every play over the last 2 drives he was going to find Jamell Fleming and throw it to whoever he was covering? I'm pretty sure it was the Jamaal Charles fumble game. Every single snap Manning would find Fleming and wait for him to fail, the throw it at his guy. And they drove down the field like it was nothing. Now Fleming didn't fail on every play, but every time he failed, Manning punished him because he was looking that way and waiting for the mistake.

Sorensen is dealing with that right now, IMO. He's failing too often, to be sure, but he's also in a shooting gallery out there. He's created his own luck in many ways but there's no question he's dealing with some buzzard luck out there.

[philfree]

I never thought Dan was as bad as most people think and he has made big hits and big plays but he has been horrendous this year. Horrendous!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by philfree

I never thought Dan was as bad as most people think and he has made big hits and big plays but he has been horrendous this year. Horrendous!

He was. He was always too slow to be an effective safety. A few "big" plays don't change that reality, regardless of what Chief Fan wants to believe.

[siberian khatru]

12 missed tackles, 284 yards allowed on 183 coverage snaps and 152.1 passer rating allowed. Daniel Sorensen has been the worst starting defensive player in the NFL this year. This can’t continue. https://t.co/0ACn3MvJu8

— Sam Hays (@WichitaChiefSam) October 11, 2021

[Pitt Gorilla]

[Chiefspants]

I'm talking out of my *** a bit, but it feels like the reason we've hit on late round picks is the same reason we've missed on picks from the 1st-3rd rounds -- and that's the hyper focus on projects.

I totally am all for drafting high upside projects from Rounds 4-7. In fact, this is the time to take big swings and get 1st round upside -- Trey Smith and Sneed are great examples of this (I think Sneed is fine, btw, he's just playing on a dumpster fire of a defense right now). For years, the Chiefs played it safe in these rounds and it's how we ended up with JAG after JAG with these picks.

The problem is that Veach has also seemed to apply this high upside philosophy to earlier rounds. Drafting Gay and Hardman, two guys with great measurables, high upside, but questions around their production is a great argument for a late round... but not when there are players who have had much better production available at those slots.

Mahomes is the obvious standout with this philosophy. But Veach hasn't been able to replicate that success in the earlier rounds since (convincing Dorsey) to pick Patrick.

But then again, I'm a schoolteacher on my day off for a reason, and not an NFL exec, so what do I know?

[Red Dawg]

Dan has to be benched. If Andy doesn't make that happen then he should be really questioned about his own job.