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Old 11-05-2021, 08:52 AM   #1
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Yes. That is true.
Is it? Chiefs defense under Bob Sutton was top 10 almost every year other than 2018. Top 3 a few years too.

Put Mahomes on the Chiefs starting in 2013 and Sutton has a few rings. We certainly don't lose playoff games like the Titans and the Steelers games.

If Ford has his foot back 1 inch, we're talking about how the 2018 defense turned it around and dominated in the playoffs (depending on the SB outcome). They would have ended that game allowing only 24 points to Tom Brady and forcing him into 3 picks.

But...Dee Ford Dee Forded and here we are...
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:58 AM   #2
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Is it? Chiefs defense under Bob Sutton was top 10 almost every year other than 2018. Top 3 a few years too.

Put Mahomes on the Chiefs starting in 2013 and Sutton has a few rings. We certainly don't lose playoff games like the Titans and the Steelers games.

If Ford has his foot back 1 inch, we're talking about how the 2018 defense turned it around and dominated in the playoffs (depending on the SB outcome). They would have ended that game allowing only 24 points to Tom Brady and forcing him into 3 picks.

But...Dee Ford Dee Forded and here we are...
I've thought about this a lot and I think we would've won that game if we didn't play Berry. He gave up 3 or 4 HUGE 3rd conversions. Stopping even one of those was probably enough for us to win.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:05 AM   #3
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I've thought about this a lot and I think we would've won that game if we didn't play Berry. He gave up 3 or 4 HUGE 3rd conversions. Stopping even one of those was probably enough for us to win.
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Is it? Chiefs defense under Bob Sutton was top 10 almost every year other than 2018. Top 3 a few years too.

Put Mahomes on the Chiefs starting in 2013 and Sutton has a few rings. We certainly don't lose playoff games like the Titans and the Steelers games.

If Ford has his foot back 1 inch, we're talking about how the 2018 defense turned it around and dominated in the playoffs (depending on the SB outcome). They would have ended that game allowing only 24 points to Tom Brady and forcing him into 3 picks.

But...Dee Ford Dee Forded and here we are...
This is truly the best and most significant post you ever have posted.

And it's accurate.

Spags' defense is ****ing garbage. Hot ****ing garbage. The only reason his defense was good enough to win 2019 is because the influx of hungry young talent. That's all. Now that they're all fat, paid, complacent, and fighting with the fans when not hurt, out of position, or getting arrested, there's not much defense left.
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Old 11-05-2021, 01:35 PM   #5
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Is it? Chiefs defense under Bob Sutton was top 10 almost every year other than 2018. Top 3 a few years too.

Put Mahomes on the Chiefs starting in 2013 and Sutton has a few rings. We certainly don't lose playoff games like the Titans and the Steelers games.

If Ford has his foot back 1 inch, we're talking about how the 2018 defense turned it around and dominated in the playoffs (depending on the SB outcome). They would have ended that game allowing only 24 points to Tom Brady and forcing him into 3 picks.

But...Dee Ford Dee Forded and here we are...
Patrick is struggling with JAG’s and OL problems. You think he would have be successful in 2013 with a struggling OL and Donnie Avery/Junior Hemingway?

Only good thing would have been Jamaal and Patrick
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:55 PM   #6
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Patrick is struggling with JAG’s and OL problems. You think he would have be successful in 2013 with a struggling OL and Donnie Avery/Junior Hemingway?

Only good thing would have been Jamaal and Patrick
Yes? Patrick is a slump. He's not a bad QB because players around him are bad. He's just in a slump that he will eventually climb out of.

And if Alex Smith could take that team to the playoffs, I'd like to see how much farther a guy like Mahomes would have taken them.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:51 AM   #7
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Unpopular opinion, but Bob Sutton's defense was much better with exception to the 2018-19 team. At least that team was able to get to the QB. This season's defense isn't particularly good at anything.
Agree with that 100%.

Even Bob Sutton's 2018 defense was better than this.

Steven Nelson wasn't caught out of position so much as he just...wouldn't turn his head and play the ball. It was so excruciating to see guys in position but not make the play. As opposed to this year's debacle, where you literally have guys on the field just throwing their arms up in the air, because there's no way anyone can make the play...which just leaves me numb.
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That explains part of the problem with our defense. Spags is another guy who prefers experience to talent. That's just stupid.

That's why Sorenson and Neimann keep getting so many snaps too.
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That explains part of the problem with our defense. Spags is another guy who prefers experience to talent. That's just stupid.

That's why Sorenson and Neimann keep getting so many snaps too.
Sorensen averages 20 snaps a game over the last three weeks.

Niemann has only played significant snaps due to injury.

It's not a Spags issue anymore, it's a health issue, and the Chiefs are finally healthy at LB.
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Those are defensive snaps only.

Niemann is terrible against the run, so no, keep Hitchens out there.
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Old 11-05-2021, 01:29 PM   #11
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Why did they let Dee Ford lineup offsides all game, only to throw the flag on the play that eliminated Brady.

I blame the rigged refs, not Ford, cause they could have called that foul 100 times but conveniently didnt. I refuse to believe that's just a coincidence.
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